Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jLtEA-0002Ym-6T for pgadmin-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 07 Apr 2020 18:45:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jLtE7-0003il-TZ for pgadmin-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 07 Apr 2020 18:45:35 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jLtE7-0003iY-DW for pgadmin-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Tue, 07 Apr 2020 18:45:35 +0000 Received: from pb-smtp1.pobox.com ([64.147.108.70]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jLtE2-0008B5-Jt for pgadmin-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Tue, 07 Apr 2020 18:45:33 +0000 Received: from pb-smtp1.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp1.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 399BF56209; Tue, 7 Apr 2020 14:45:27 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jackrg@pobox.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=from :message-id:content-type:mime-version:subject:date:in-reply-to :cc:to:references; s=sasl; bh=6ukmwL1AcGCsvjemOqmDbFwatPQ=; b=WX 24ZXIzecBauQVI87w0hN28Eg/RB93uR/3kuE8gVyXfnCN+QG3kLOs4xuYibt8aS3 w9OCO3fnF8dO92fYoSLZJw+iY+37/OdCf6gTxboTH6vJeLxLnahJv+vg75yv8J7l Pr8CH6bQRF4g9tEDxvrje4ZtTvW5/wv2yp8/I/WGs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=pobox.com; h=from:message-id :content-type:mime-version:subject:date:in-reply-to:cc:to :references; q=dns; s=sasl; b=B7RlE+5BOIaPd8NtrLj5loUvl9stcp4NtB d9nQFls+cHknkanpOZWdI07WVBFnirH+8iJmNKgrJmNsEGIQ4MGNaitXS/cLLQDc jk/EOumkbwvFQV8tv2SYlfixClPwcKQ5vpEjD23YFbc/ydkw7S+JLSVnGrDOnK3N eZc+KNT84= Received: from pb-smtp1.nyi.icgroup.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp1.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 309BD56206; Tue, 7 Apr 2020 14:45:27 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jackrg@pobox.com) Received: from [10.0.1.220] (unknown [68.4.251.228]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pb-smtp1.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 21D71561EE; Tue, 7 Apr 2020 14:45:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jackrg@pobox.com) From: Jack Royal-Gordon Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6B17EBC5-3E00-4A1E-8F2E-E6049D9DA133" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Subject: Re: Proposal: Drop support for Internet Explorer Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2020 11:45:24 -0700 In-Reply-To: Cc: Dave Page , pgAdmin Support , pgadmin-hackers To: Dave Caughey References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-Pobox-Relay-ID: F255A76A-78FF-11EA-9FD9-C28CBED8090B-89881988!pb-smtp1.pobox.com List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Precedence: bulk --Apple-Mail=_6B17EBC5-3E00-4A1E-8F2E-E6049D9DA133 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I=E2=80=99ve had a similar response from not supporting IE since about = 2016. A couple users asked about it and had no problem when I told them = we didn=E2=80=99t support it. Mostly, they switched to Chrome. =F0=9F=91=8D=F0=9F=91=8D > On Apr 7, 2020, at 4:41 AM, Dave Caughey wrote: >=20 > Check the analytics... I think you'll find dropping it is a non-issue. = In my own web service, I found that IE (all versions) constituted only = about 1% of my users.=20 >=20 > So I dropped support for IE (since it was preventing me from fully = adopting ES6), and there was not a single complaint from my users.=20 >=20 > Cheers,=20 > Dave >=20 > On Tue., Apr. 7, 2020, 3:36 a.m. Dave Page, > wrote: > All, >=20 > Internet Explorer has long been superseded by Microsoft Edge, and even = that has recently moved to using Chromium as it's core engine. Version = 11 was originally released in 2013, and though Microsoft have committed = to supporting it until 2025, as far as I can tell there have been no = notable new features in almost it's entire lifetime, and certainly in = recent years Microsoft have only been releasing security fixes. >=20 > As you can imagine, supporting Internet Explorer has a non-trivial = cost to it for the pgAdmin project. Not only do we need to test with it = as well as Edge, but we also need to write code, CSS and HTML that is = fully compatible with what essentially is a 7 year old browser. By = comparison, for all other browsers we typically aim to support releases = no more than 2 years old. >=20 > I therefore propose that we officially drop support for Internet = Explorer. Practically this means that we would not test with it, and = anyone reporting a bug with it would be told to use an alternate = browser. >=20 > Objections/comments please? >=20 > Thanks! >=20 > --=20 > Dave Page > Blog: http://pgsnake.blogspot.com > Twitter: @pgsnake >=20 > EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com = > The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company --Apple-Mail=_6B17EBC5-3E00-4A1E-8F2E-E6049D9DA133 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 I=E2=80=99ve had a similar response from not supporting IE = since about 2016. A couple users asked about it and had no problem when = I told them we didn=E2=80=99t support it. Mostly, they switched to = Chrome.

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On Apr 7, 2020, at 4:41 AM, Dave Caughey = <caugheyd@gmail.com> wrote:

Check the analytics... I think you'll find = dropping it is a non-issue. In my own web service, I found that IE (all = versions) constituted only about 1% of my users. 

So I dropped support for IE (since it was preventing me from = fully adopting ES6), and there was not a single complaint from my = users. 

Cheers, 
Dave

On Tue., Apr. 7, = 2020, 3:36 a.m. Dave Page, <dpage@pgadmin.org> wrote:
All,

Internet Explorer has long been superseded by Microsoft = Edge, and even that has recently moved to using Chromium as it's core = engine. Version 11 was originally released in 2013, and though Microsoft = have committed to supporting it until 2025, as far as I can tell there = have been no notable new features in almost it's entire lifetime, and = certainly in recent years Microsoft have only been = releasing security fixes.

As you can imagine, supporting Internet = Explorer has a non-trivial cost to it for the pgAdmin project. Not only = do we need to test with it as well as Edge, but we also need to write = code, CSS and HTML that is fully compatible with what essentially is a 7 = year old browser. By comparison, for all other browsers we = typically aim to support releases no more than 2 years old.

I therefore propose that = we officially drop support for Internet Explorer. Practically this means = that we would not test with it, and anyone reporting a bug with it would = be told to use an alternate browser.

Objections/comments please?

Thanks!

--
Dave Page
Blog: http://pgsnake.blogspot.com
Twitter: = @pgsnake

EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com
The Enterprise = PostgreSQL Company

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