Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lVu5k-0004Bh-LX for pgadmin-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2021 10:46:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lVu5i-0005nD-2J for pgadmin-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2021 10:46:50 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lVu5h-0005n3-P7 for pgadmin-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2021 10:46:49 +0000 Received: from mail-ed1-x531.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::531]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lVu5d-0000oA-JH for pgadmin-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2021 10:46:48 +0000 Received: by mail-ed1-x531.google.com with SMTP id z1so14482035edb.8 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2021 03:46:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=pgadmin.org; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=wU+IR2EdBhb0XkFpcdVrLlKnNHFvLTOLhtzpGGFVJ+U=; b=fDTg0AeToBXeXs8ptu3fgsVeOo4/eHicaPV4o+HB9JEJAemJhBX4lZRxcra614uuDS MDVt/OgC7bvDCuSV0Ip+2ROfUCS64A7f2Jq9x2zLjtgDs6SM1S8OWsi163Y6KUiLrd/+ VSyPpKEM5M47GIKoCbG3zW4BG8mz+cQm2qiC1+8tmPkCwxDq0N+FWYCOHO9bSgpbrCAt Cm1ptKe2k70tZm3VTHG/QY6CGnNXm0oKbKDDm3QS1ea89CWVrSMGIEUDTD/pmTnxz7Q1 mXMYbm/K51CWgi9UBBs7rnD3vpHyzAYAmnZwkn8E7rZAylRvmFCMVOy/rVTAfzWtUpNh SJfQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=wU+IR2EdBhb0XkFpcdVrLlKnNHFvLTOLhtzpGGFVJ+U=; b=ax80A5E1fxTMLo1i8EAdjucREF5F7AKmJwpjiD1GXHK/7Fj2pCzp80UEpgbSGAoABw HGRTo8LTFqg7pV9R2D7u+4nuZ7Izlzqq4MCv4Lqe59zlZxEJTIuzQAzWB9v+6C/sl2UA 0YTSkvhZuEmt2juon9Ik1fPndokJ/dAArEHZ7wYJep4Q7bLXc2SYbID0cfg+LeYpy5GX zXvYpI+iHKLT5MVG1JK7Qfwvx6Wdcp2pNT3wQBpyw8mxe6rmiiNBB+wmecM4RPD4jw79 nHAeg1MDgO5m+7o6XXV0i5f+FB3alqi9VnzTV0AcNMHypKF1s0JPxV3z5t8G63+5hXaN /kEQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531IULyS0Q/0dM8UgKCRjxv/yQNlY56uQZb/T8Yrs+g9rJmy/5i2 lz/i6Mju30LlIf6L0pjDeLtNDHlf3f9xoVFhs2i2L9E/YCLKsM7u X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy/uzedKBq6b62ttzEnT/wpP2NzgQqd1mPMGX/s/gzCg5vNMybv7StxEFrBbC0NfA6Nse53PE0gQAAyRfsqrdU= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:515:: with SMTP id m21mr19062082edv.382.1618224404140; Mon, 12 Apr 2021 03:46:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <536e9bb5-4702-8171-8afa-e2eb61f21bb6@landauer.at> In-Reply-To: <536e9bb5-4702-8171-8afa-e2eb61f21bb6@landauer.at> From: Dave Page Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 11:46:32 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Suggestions for website improvements To: Thomas Landauer Cc: pgadmin-hackers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c6a5db05bfc43aaf" List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk --000000000000c6a5db05bfc43aaf Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:28 PM Thomas Landauer wrote: > Hi, > > Akshay Joshi told me at > https://redmine.postgresql.org/issues/6278#note-36 to post suggestions > to this mailing list. > > 1: Integrate the "Download" page into the home page. > (In detail: Move its content between "Latest Videos" and "News", then > remove the "Download" page) > Reasons: > * Sooner or later, anybody will need the download. The earlier you show > it, the better. * The "News" on the home page are not that important, since first and > foremost you need to inform *new* users what this is all about. Existing > users will find out the news anyway... > The download page can't really be removed, as it also contains things like pgAgent (and potentially other things that we may add in the future). It's all database driven and those pages are designed to handle different platforms, products and versions, as well as providing instructions and related links etc. That said, it would certainly be possible to add some links directly to the homepage; my inclination would be to add just the download icons from the pgAdmin 4 section on /download, in a box with a "Download pgAdmin 4" title, and "More Downloads..." link at the bottom pointing to /download, kinda like the videos. We could add a flag to the relevant database objects to determine whether a product's downloads should be shown on the homepage, and some template tweaks would take care of the rest. > 2: In that newly created Download section on the home page, include 2 > questions from the FAQ right away: > "What is pgAdmin 4?" > "What are Server Mode and Desktop Mode?" > Reasons: > * Those 2 questions are fundamental to *any* user, not just to *some* > users (like e.g. the Master Password question). > * Having 2 modes for a program is uncommon. Sooner or later this will > cause new users some confusion, so it's better to address it upfront. > I think adding short versions of those questions could work, with links for more info. > > 3: Merge the "FAQ" into "Latest Docs": > The distinction between these two seems somewhat arbitrary. The entire > "Troubleshooting" section from FAQ could become a new heading in the > docs - and for the few other questions we can certainly find a place too. > I like that idea. > > 4: Long-term: Get rid of the "Quick Links" column, and merge it into the > top navbar. > I only now realized that these are not the same! But I don't have a > quick solution for this. In other words: I'd rather wait for some > feedback if you're interested in changing anything at all, before > writing even more... ;-) > All the links on the Quick Links section are already on the main menu system, however a couple of them do have different text, with the ones in the QL section being worded more for getting people to the page they need quickly (e.g. "Get Help" vs. "Support" -> "Introduction"). I'm not in favour of removing those links; I believe they are useful and save users clicks when looking for the most critical items. -- Dave Page Blog: http://pgsnake.blogspot.com Twitter: @pgsnake EDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com --000000000000c6a5db05bfc43aaf Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi

On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:28 PM Thomas Landauer <= thomas@landauer.at> wrote:
=
Hi,

Akshay Joshi told me at
https://redmine.postgresql.org/issues/6278#note-36= to post suggestions
to this mailing list.

1: Integrate the "Download" page into the home page.
(In detail: Move its content between "Latest Videos" and "Ne= ws", then
remove the "Download" page)
Reasons:
* Sooner or later, anybody will need the download. The earlier you show it, the better.=C2=A0
* The "News" on the home page are not that important, since first= and
foremost you need to inform *new* users what this is all about. Existing users will find out the news anyway...

= The download page can't really be removed, as it also contains things l= ike pgAgent (and potentially other things that we may add in the future). I= t's all database driven and those pages are designed to handle=C2=A0dif= ferent platforms, products and versions, as well as providing instructions = and related links etc.

That said, it would certain= ly be possible to add some links directly to the homepage; my inclination w= ould be to add just the download icons from the pgAdmin 4 section on /downl= oad, in a box with a "Download pgAdmin 4" title, and "More D= ownloads..." link at the bottom pointing to /download, kinda like the = videos. We could add a flag to the relevant database objects to determine w= hether a product's downloads should be shown on the homepage, and some = template tweaks would take care of the rest.


2: In that newly created Download section on the home page, include 2
questions from the FAQ right away:
"What is pgAdmin 4?"
"What are Server Mode and Desktop Mode?"
Reasons:
* Those 2 questions are fundamental to *any* user, not just to *some*
users (like e.g. the Master Password question).
* Having 2 modes for a program is uncommon. Sooner or later this will
cause new users some confusion, so it's better to address it upfront.

I think adding short versions of those q= uestions could work, with links for more info.
=C2=A0

3: Merge the "FAQ" into "Latest Docs":
The distinction between these two seems somewhat arbitrary. The entire
"Troubleshooting" section from FAQ could become a new heading in = the
docs - and for the few other questions we can certainly find a place too.

I like that idea.
=C2=A0
=

4: Long-term: Get rid of the "Quick Links" column, and merge it i= nto the
top navbar.
I only now realized that these are not the same! But I don't have a quick solution for this. In other words: I'd rather wait for some
feedback if you're interested in changing anything at all, before
writing even more... ;-)

All the links = on the Quick Links section are already on the main menu system, however a c= ouple of them do have different text, with the ones in the QL section being= worded more for getting people to the page they need quickly (e.g. "G= et Help" vs. "Support" -> "Introduction"). I= 9;m not in favour of removing those links; I believe they are useful and sa= ve users clicks when looking for the most critical items.
=C2=A0<= /div>
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