Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cWJpR-0001b5-P0 for pgadmin-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 09:25:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with smtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cWJpR-0008Pm-CB for pgadmin-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 09:25:21 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:1501:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cWJpQ-0008Mh-Em for pgadmin-hackers@postgresql.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 09:25:20 +0000 Received: from mail-io0-x22d.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22d]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cWJpN-0004Yd-2S for pgadmin-hackers@postgresql.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 09:25:19 +0000 Received: by mail-io0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id l66so9227789ioi.1 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 01:25:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=pgadmin-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=xVcADzsFCiUYkhYbjY05Fdq8Wskf2h6plLMAoPSXAag=; b=prNxCcA06dPW/0NoKlChwLMbDDWRDrV2xiC7sB9REHXU3XA/PMdnUrnkZvkN5ibYS5 fVU3IaZpqWLpdU+74eQuDBLGXxObCWXfyW2zfj6GPCVl7OGNZfRFlp+jk9Pbswe6HYoZ Ibf5uUQdP8SxVmXN1Z5B0fn7BuaKWKAksDzpWeWQNh/QOUnJLuT0GDVcO8f46zXeY7Qc JKl0CIqVcuQ39pkjOqCPYJ8Ww7qaBmdepHAKNIMo16SWcrhRGbDNkG1XiiLa0lDo/3aX AxAk5zJVQTBK9uWEop9QiDjPwlWG8Z3dgdQG4jiiReapHjREtTQPlqedvyJWBSb2n8VM nXig== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=xVcADzsFCiUYkhYbjY05Fdq8Wskf2h6plLMAoPSXAag=; b=BL2Qn4fS2eCxWwqxDb0xX/Jjy3845hgYeDbtw8NuCShOE9GpOa1bzrzIGF2w06hZbF xokS2FnVdy9HmY1eRJr213uOLqgFBlKepgV2CZkgHNG9Nkzmysu9bZhA58GS836FYNSL 6aHNRX2noKSMao+jrO8ETQPrJs1ZcBGhWUXU/hlIB9uM7/UInDrgP1Xo+OVHgsN0z/d0 ZhMlUez+TOYzVlb9YAq+UoyQJcfa11q7U206rXEAuvyOHsiDEtv63iWOR7/9PAvwaUDE Rer3bK7c6pksE3qrPmhxnLcER7R4dBTH+gNFpavjHIZX56vmXKq1EzXfA1/ELTEJ3YGs yYVw== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXKAMKkGHiVx4sC1FHxCggutZKZeu8+Whnb8sKNN5PO2c/Z9ebZ8A6TjaAcQP06xUEa5m+YZSWjvSsZwag== X-Received: by 10.107.57.5 with SMTP id g5mr25038190ioa.208.1485336315953; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 01:25:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.224.198 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 01:25:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Dave Page Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 09:25:15 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: User Research Findings into PgAdmin To: Raffi Holzer Cc: pgadmin-hackers , Shirley Wang , Robert Eckhardt , Edgar Gonzalez Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Pg-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) List-Archive: List-Help: List-ID: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Mailing-List: pgadmin-hackers Precedence: bulk Sender: pgadmin-hackers-owner@postgresql.org Hi On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 9:42 PM, Raffi Holzer wrote: > Hi, > As part of a project to enable pgAdmin4 to work with Greenplum databases, > we conducted user research into pgAdmin. We wanted to share those insights > and potentially develop against them but first wanted to get feedback from > the pgAdmin group. To that end we created the video below that summarizes > our findings. Let us know what you think. > > https://youtu.be/BylcblYw8sU That's very helpful, thank you. Can you please summarise your findings in an email to the list so we can work with it within our normal process? I will note that whilst I agree some of the points raised need further work in pgAdmin 4, some of them make little sense - most notably Syntax Highlighting which we've had for ~17 years, and works automatically, thus not requiring any kind of user discovery beyond typing some SQL into the query tool. Auto-complete is another example of a feature we've had for years, that is documented. I agree though that there is scope for better discovery mechanisms there. Some of the other comments highlighted made little to no sense to me, for example the comment on column names @ ~3:03 and the comment on the bottom left @ ~3:22 (this is a great example of why email is better than a video :-) ). -- Dave Page Blog: http://pgsnake.blogspot.com Twitter: @pgsnake EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company -- Sent via pgadmin-hackers mailing list (pgadmin-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgadmin-hackers