Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jLmtv-0005Qb-Ot for pgadmin-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 07 Apr 2020 12:00:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jLmtu-0004DK-Mg for pgadmin-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 07 Apr 2020 12:00:18 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jLmtt-0004D1-P4 for pgadmin-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Tue, 07 Apr 2020 12:00:18 +0000 Received: from mail-ed1-x542.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::542]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jLmtq-0003Ek-NV for pgadmin-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Tue, 07 Apr 2020 12:00:16 +0000 Received: by mail-ed1-x542.google.com with SMTP id w26so3699358edu.7 for ; Tue, 07 Apr 2020 05:00:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=pgadmin.org; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Ezr4cjQwqQxfWmsHO8HXuSSNrQq7PwndnkCWp/BxI4E=; b=a9I9sY9AVwof/0XhqxlIPzSQwY+KKghsGVjIdQkeYB1ZHW6vW+v1XZdS5cITWfdQU9 Q7Hy7rC4DgNaXpDkObTAx/E/WftWs4YoBHB1CvFl6rsJsdagIbfi69P0WjW+iY0pjeNi eyYZ8Qxd1SJQzPHxDunh/FvZtfgLnukngpTkVogUhg0u94qO+2BD6GgYZojrg0JnNz4F XpxEJgsVtucd+Q8FA0+KSWCtOak1gpt/TTWkJHn+dScgojPpS6G6dT0nRY8/C4QliU3R SCllmj3PGycchJlltyxifVAjbAJjUfeBP0wKEO3lbprP2L7OCT3QfeDg6+keEAUfmS1g E9Bw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Ezr4cjQwqQxfWmsHO8HXuSSNrQq7PwndnkCWp/BxI4E=; b=ECKjjQxzk+1pCIRYeR4WCAGDFiDdUGP5UX2TxsdpTRw36jvYQgvBZJci34LXlEoI0E H2jcao89gsqY5aY7PgJGp1TK8guF+rqAAN99BOcJnfi0sTxTboC9KJI8oP/qWSKYK6VH XOdnCsc1XIwKNR3Br8B//B66s+DFmbGjIesj1lOA2yomy00jtDOlfZsiU8Z+XYQHhKSd Axzq4hlR2esIXf3QxTrW3bBfgB2liBHG+f2U+sjDyxRz+/8Zz9LaEnSq53ORl5mIhKLh +Xfc5ObBg0dUb+sjDAPI/R1ebgQ3bbp3iCyptDxULWJySQ4Ixv/vF/8afrkEPSFk0vqh s54g== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuavsMxtEPTRjsaVmXt1jiGqXLmBTtXISEdBPy7M6zq4w+H2v7Q6 6UvPaVCZiJ1sDa82modny+ffK/CXhFn+4Heiw7kwbg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypJqXzIaqmbzVOiMINBUVCFLnUi+zAc4nylc5hSRsnyI+e2M2dkHkgDEuJ+G1PKxmk/hKkGS1NhrmLy5q6cR2DY= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:ad92:: with SMTP id la18mr1693492ejb.237.1586260813346; Tue, 07 Apr 2020 05:00:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dave Page Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2020 13:00:02 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Proposal: Drop support for Internet Explorer To: Dave Caughey Cc: pgAdmin Support , pgadmin-hackers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004d103a05a2b220cc" List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Precedence: bulk --0000000000004d103a05a2b220cc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 12:41 PM Dave Caughey wrote: > Check the analytics... I think you'll find dropping it is a non-issue. In > my own web service, I found that IE (all versions) constituted only about > 1% of my users. > Good point - 1.9% of the visitors to the website were on IE this week. 1.8 of those were on IE11. We even had one hit from IE5... By comparison, 72% of users were on Chrome, 13% on Firefox, with 5.5% each for Safari and Edge. > > So I dropped support for IE (since it was preventing me from fully > adopting ES6), and there was not a single complaint from my users. > > Cheers, > Dave > > On Tue., Apr. 7, 2020, 3:36 a.m. Dave Page, wrote: > >> All, >> >> Internet Explorer has long been superseded by Microsoft Edge, and even >> that has recently moved to using Chromium as it's core engine. Version 11 >> was originally released in 2013, and though Microsoft have committed to >> supporting it until 2025, as far as I can tell there have been no notable >> new features in almost it's entire lifetime, and certainly in recent years >> Microsoft have only been releasing security fixes. >> >> As you can imagine, supporting Internet Explorer has a non-trivial cost >> to it for the pgAdmin project. Not only do we need to test with it as well >> as Edge, but we also need to write code, CSS and HTML that is fully >> compatible with what essentially is a 7 year old browser. By comparison, >> for all other browsers we typically aim to support releases no more than 2 >> years old. >> >> I therefore propose that we officially drop support for Internet >> Explorer. Practically this means that we would not test with it, and anyone >> reporting a bug with it would be told to use an alternate browser. >> >> Objections/comments please? >> >> Thanks! >> >> -- >> Dave Page >> Blog: http://pgsnake.blogspot.com >> Twitter: @pgsnake >> >> EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com >> The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company >> > -- Dave Page Blog: http://pgsnake.blogspot.com Twitter: @pgsnake EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company --0000000000004d103a05a2b220cc Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 12:41 PM Dave = Caughey <caugheyd@gmail.com>= ; wrote:
Check the analytics... I think you'll find dropping it = is a non-issue. In my own web service, I found that IE (all versions) const= ituted only about 1% of my users.=C2=A0

Good point - 1.9% of the visitors to the website were on IE this w= eek. 1.8 of those were on IE11. We even had one hit from IE5...
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By comparison, 72% of users were on Chrome, 13% on Firefox, w= ith 5.5% each for Safari and Edge.
=C2=A0

So I dropped support for IE (since it was preventing = me from fully adopting ES6), and there was not a single complaint from my u= sers.=C2=A0

Cheers,=C2= =A0
Dave

On Tue., Apr. 7, 2020, 3:36 a.m. = Dave Page, <dpage= @pgadmin.org> wrote:
All,

Internet Explorer has = long been superseded=C2=A0by Microsoft Edge, and even that has recently mov= ed to using Chromium as it's core engine. Version 11 was originally rel= eased in 2013, and though Microsoft have committed to supporting it until 2= 025, as far as I can tell there have been no notable new features in almost= it's entire lifetime, and certainly in recent years Microsoft have onl= y been releasing=C2=A0security fixes.

As you can i= magine, supporting Internet Explorer has a non-trivial cost to it for the p= gAdmin project. Not only do we need to test with it as well as Edge, but we= also need to write code, CSS and HTML that is fully compatible with what e= ssentially is a 7 year old browser. By comparison, for all other=C2=A0brows= ers we typically aim to support releases no more than 2 years old.

I therefore propose that we officially drop support for In= ternet Explorer. Practically this means that we would not test with it, and= anyone reporting a bug with it would be told to use an alternate browser.<= /div>

Objections/comments please?

Thanks!

--
Dave Pag= e
Blog: http://pgsnake.blogspot.com
Twitter: @pgsnake

En= terpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com
The Enterprise PostgreS= QL Company


--
Dave Page
Blog: http://pgsnake.blogspot.com
Twitter: @p= gsnake

EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com
The Enterprise PostgreSQL = Company
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