Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ezJeS-0001Q6-82 for pgadmin-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Fri, 23 Mar 2018 10:10:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ezJeQ-000382-BD for pgadmin-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Fri, 23 Mar 2018 10:10:22 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:1501:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ezJeQ-00037A-2O for pgadmin-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Fri, 23 Mar 2018 10:10:22 +0000 Received: from mail-qt0-x22e.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::22e]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ezJeM-0007jv-EV for pgadmin-hackers@postgresql.org; Fri, 23 Mar 2018 10:10:20 +0000 Received: by mail-qt0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id j3so457511qtn.9 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2018 03:10:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=hagander-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=oefaf3huz5HdWsd/oWbL7LMW4/IHNXZ4iZkDClolwLE=; b=NfexoTR5anwE0SX0anWFftHlBs9iRiUNJvXJmoVdCQD3WoDVhqGieg1y4WcZ4R1+b0 xV4sUwDc3UQ+S44mSZWrTi9KbuX5yoFL0XG0U+V376esu6txm4P30aTPsayOPLzE8h1O 55g8C2UpAjATztCkHLJETy2u4CD/4riv1JDfRTbrPcXPLQNiWXSdWiRZtXrRCH1U6m6N OINBZRUNF7jKiROC/6ZzgI/WKSlDWYI+eOkJd6DBk9FUl3PPWUL0UeYlUW/Okz8ObuTu +S7CkC/D1fP/RI4WeFxrfq3zTg6PJGhqbauM9ZqfgCl0Kai4mWZ39q65bKqZnIMJ3/0f cKoQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=oefaf3huz5HdWsd/oWbL7LMW4/IHNXZ4iZkDClolwLE=; b=pMxjvcmRtkqkn0XsNJJ9AFqIztnYqz5k+E/dBfWbSo+5VOpqcbH7eA0V+6JiMZVQ+F QzbM8irQkZI63NHVFAGcPpB42aRJVoZfoTpAJTPLxFwG4idscPFN3Q+mJR7Uru5H6Feh wViQKdnteopo0mugqJsXO8Fu+WIMJ/Z5IfnnB/GncleqFBGMN5ObyMU+PxhcaPTXd5V9 Pl5j4gTLRnhKlOTX93t9JgcYfMxJUQjfchUkC0YQTB/1bIAN3BFLZgKSSk4PkT8trFKy 8wVnXBxCo8GSdE3cdc+7+qnJJZjIE/HkNUasy7mN196SSVcGj95PDlrtYZLTObwgL5KA c5Sw== X-Gm-Message-State: AElRT7GTfArp13s7yaC6bUh/uAtv1JwtjhZdYDKy7D3i+VnquIwbsYya cqM+NLRwjv63WKAs8m+wwXLSx+EAdBqdil+MG55yHg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx48Bio0gSNGhaS7kVo65uwRTZQIxlBlCOzT6tOzwfd4i8Jh0hbUtE5+zV64eMary2EF8zgIaXTKeGC8PMrYLYvA= X-Received: by 10.200.36.144 with SMTP id s16mr11670990qts.0.1521799817308; Fri, 23 Mar 2018 03:10:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.200.33.215 with HTTP; Fri, 23 Mar 2018 03:10:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Magnus Hagander Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 11:10:16 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Showstopper desktop runtime issue To: Robert Eckhardt Cc: Dave Page , Joao De Almeida Pereira , Murtuza Zabuawala , pgadmin-hackers , Akshay Joshi , Neel Patel , Ashesh Vashi Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1135a91e87be83056811a122" List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Precedence: bulk --001a1135a91e87be83056811a122 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 5:38 PM, Robert Eckhardt wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 12:28 PM, Dave Page wrote: > >> >>> (And don't give up on proper tabs either, but I'm sure Electron might >>> catch up in that eventually -- and the issue around RHEL6 will also go away >>> eventually) >>> >> >> RHEL 6 is in support until 2024, though it's already halfway through the >> maintenance 2 phase. It's definitely going, but we really don't know how >> many folks might still be using it in production on systems they're >> updating and using pgAdmin on. That last bit is important; many folks will >> continue to run production servers on RHEL/CentOS 6 for years, but how many >> are using them for client-side stuff or actively updating things like >> pgAdmin on them? >> > > RHEL 6 is the #1 OS for GPDB so if we have customers installing server > side or wanting to we'd be on this pretty quickly. > > As an aside, I'm interested in who and how people are using the Linux > version. How many are using Linux on the desktop and how many are > installing the server. My assumption is that people using the linux distro > are installing the server but I have no actual information to base that on. > My experience is actually the opposite in a lot of cases. The server pgadmin is used primarily by those of my customers who are using Windows -- mainly as a workaround for the fact that the performance experience of the desktop app on Windows was horrible. On Mac I don't think I've seen anybody choose the server version if it's a primary tool for them (some still have a shared pgadmin for people who only touch it at very infrequent cases, but it's not common). On Linux, I see a mix. -- Magnus Hagander Me: https://www.hagander.net/ Work: https://www.redpill-linpro.com/ --001a1135a91e87be83056811a122 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 5:38 PM, Robert Eckhardt <= reckhardt@pivotal= .io> wrote:


On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 12:28 PM, Dave Page &= lt;dpage@pgadmin.org= > wrote:

(And don't = give up on proper tabs either, but I'm sure Electron might catch up in = that eventually -- and the issue around RHEL6 will also go away eventually)=

RHEL 6 is i= n support until 2024, though it's already halfway through the maintenan= ce 2 phase. It's definitely going, but we really don't know how man= y folks might still be using it in production on systems they're updati= ng and using pgAdmin on. That last bit is important; many folks will contin= ue to run production servers on RHEL/CentOS 6 for years, but how many are u= sing them for client-side stuff or actively updating things like pgAdmin on= them?=C2=A0

RHEL 6 is the #1 OS for GPDB so if we have customers installing server sid= e or wanting to we'd be on this pretty quickly.=C2=A0

As an aside, I'm interested in who and how people are using the= Linux version. How many are using Linux on the desktop and how many are in= stalling the server. My assumption is that people using the linux distro ar= e installing the server but I have no actual information to base that on.= =C2=A0

My experienc= e is actually the opposite in a lot of cases. The server pgadmin is used pr= imarily by those of my customers who are using Windows -- mainly as a worka= round for the fact that the performance experience of the desktop app on Wi= ndows was horrible.

On Mac I don't think I'= ;ve seen anybody choose the server version if it's a primary tool for t= hem (some still have a shared pgadmin for people who only touch it at very = infrequent cases, but it's not common). On Linux, I see a mix.=C2=A0



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