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From: Anthony DeBarros <anthonymdebarros@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2025 04:08:01 -0800
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Subject: The new workspace layout
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Dear Hackers,

I have great respect for your efforts to continuously develop pgAdmin 4,
and it has certainly come a long way since version 1.0. Not to mention,
it=E2=80=99s free.  Thank you for all your hard work.

All that said, I think making the new Workspace layout the default in v 9.0
was a regression and not an improvement, and already I see issues[1]
raised[2] from users.

I use pgAdmin and DataGrip every day for writing queries, and I have a
fundamental issue with the new layout. Having the object explorer in a pane
to the left of the query editor is a standard setup, and rightly so =E2=80=
=94 it=E2=80=99s
hard to remember names of tables and columns, and drag-and-drop makes life
easier. Having a layout that requires me to click another pane and
disappear the query itself, then click back, is too many steps.
Autocomplete doesn=E2=80=99t fill the need.

Yes, I understand I can switch to =E2=80=9CClassic,=E2=80=9D and I=E2=80=99=
ve done so. But I want
to be an advocate for newer users and others who are upgrading and won=E2=
=80=99t
really understand what=E2=80=99s going on, where in settings to change the =
layout,
etc.

A more gentle user experience for this type of change would have been to
have v 9.0 keep the =E2=80=9CClassic=E2=80=9D layout as the default and ale=
rt users upon
first launch that a new workspace layout was available =E2=80=94 and explai=
n where
in the settings to make the change. Small popups announcing new features
are a standard UX feature these days.

That way, people can move on from the familiar to the new and know that
they can switch back if they=E2=80=99d like. Trust me when I tell you that =
many,
many pgAdmin users are students and people new to SQL who need hand-holding
from time to time.

Thanks for listening,
Anthony

[1]
https://github.com/pgadmin-org/pgadmin4/issues/7708#issuecomment-2640296446
[2] https://github.com/pgadmin-org/pgadmin4/issues/8426

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<html><body><div dir=3D"ltr">Dear Hackers,<div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I=
 have great respect for your efforts to continuously develop pgAdmin 4, and=
 it has certainly come a long way since version 1.0. Not to mention, it=E2=
=80=99s free.=C2=A0 Thank you for all your hard work.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">All that said, I think making the new Workspace=
 layout the default in v 9.0 was a regression and not an improvement, and a=
lready I see issues[1] raised[2] from users.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr">I use pgAdmin and DataGrip every day for writing queries=
, and I have a fundamental issue with the new layout. Having the object exp=
lorer in a pane to the left of the query editor is a standard setup, and ri=
ghtly so =E2=80=94 it=E2=80=99s hard to remember names of tables and column=
s, and drag-and-drop makes life easier. Having a layout that requires me to=
 click another pane and disappear the query itself, then click back, is too=
 many steps. Autocomplete doesn=E2=80=99t fill the need.</div><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Yes, I understand I can switch to =E2=80=9CC=
lassic,=E2=80=9D and I=E2=80=99ve done so. But I want to be an advocate for=
 newer users and others who are upgrading and won=E2=80=99t really understa=
nd what=E2=80=99s going on, where in settings to change the layout, etc.</d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">A more gentle user experienc=
e for this type of change would have been to have v 9.0 keep the =E2=80=9CC=
lassic=E2=80=9D layout as the default and alert users upon first launch tha=
t a new workspace layout was available =E2=80=94 and explain where in the s=
ettings to make the change. Small popups announcing new features are a stan=
dard UX feature these days.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr=
">That way, people can move on from the familiar to the new and know that t=
hey can switch back if they=E2=80=99d like. Trust me when I tell you that m=
any, many pgAdmin users are students and people new to SQL who need hand-ho=
lding from time to time.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">T=
hanks for listening,</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Anthony</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><b=
r></div><div dir=3D"ltr">[1]=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://github.com/pgadmin-org=
/pgadmin4/issues/7708#issuecomment-2640296446">https://github.com/pgadmin-o=
rg/pgadmin4/issues/7708#issuecomment-2640296446</a></div><div dir=3D"ltr">[=
2]=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://github.com/pgadmin-org/pgadmin4/issues/8426">htt=
ps://github.com/pgadmin-org/pgadmin4/issues/8426</a></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div></div></body></html>

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