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From: Doug Reed <r.douglas.reed@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 11:04:59 -0400
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Subject: Re: Proposal: Drop support for Internet Explorer
To: Bill Evans <billev2k@gmail.com>
Cc: Darren Duncan <darren@darrenduncan.net>,
	pgAdmin Support <pgadmin-support@postgresql.org>,
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All,

Just my two cents.  I am the CTO of CirrusPoint Solutions.  We have an
Enterprise level Browser-based application that is used by very large
corporations as a network management and reporting dashboard. These huge
companies are almost always heavily Microsoft focused, and slow to
upgrade.  Everyone has I.E. on their desktop, and are notorious for forcing
companies to conform to their whims and support stuff that belonged in the
trash years ago.

We "officially" dropped support for I.E. when we replaced Flash with HTML5
<YEARS> ago. There was almost no resistance at all.  Corporate IT just
installed Chrome, or Firefox on users desktops and moved on.  Everyone
knows that I.E. is not HTML5 compliant, and it kind-of works, but sometimes
doesn't. In my experience, the only one still using I.E. is the CTO who
doesn't know how to turn his computer on, and his secretary comes in and
shows him how to start Chrome and that's the end of it.

I can remember only getting one complaint from anyone ever, and when I
explained that Internet Explorer was written in a time before the Internet
had standards, and now it doesn't work right any more, he switched to
Chrome and was good with it.


On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 10:07 AM Bill Evans <billev2k@gmail.com> wrote:

> It is not doing people a favor to help them continue to use an unsupporte=
d
> browser that no longer receives security updates.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 8, 2020, at 4:26 PM, Darren Duncan <darren@darrenduncan.net> wrote=
:
>
> =EF=BB=BFIf its hard to know how many people are actually using Internet =
Explorer:
>
> You could make the next release of pgAdmin display a message occasionally
> to users of Internet Explorer saying that Internet Explorer will no longe=
r
> be officially supported in a future version, and when that version comes
> the message says now no longer supported.
>
> You can then see how many people contact you about this to express concer=
n.
>
> -- Darren Duncan
>
>
>
>
>

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Regards,

Doug

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<div dir=3D"ltr">All,<div><br></div><div>Just my two cents.=C2=A0 I am the =
CTO of CirrusPoint Solutions.=C2=A0 We have an Enterprise level Browser-bas=
ed application that is used by very large corporations as a network managem=
ent and reporting dashboard. These huge companies are almost always heavily=
=C2=A0Microsoft focused, and slow to upgrade.=C2=A0 Everyone has I.E. on th=
eir desktop, and are notorious=C2=A0for forcing companies to conform to the=
ir whims and support stuff that belonged in the trash years ago.</div><div>=
<br></div><div>We &quot;officially&quot; dropped support for I.E. when we r=
eplaced Flash=C2=A0with HTML5 &lt;YEARS&gt; ago. There was almost no resist=
ance=C2=A0at all.=C2=A0 Corporate IT just installed Chrome, or Firefox on u=
sers desktops and moved on.=C2=A0 Everyone knows that I.E. is not HTML5 com=
pliant, and it kind-of works, but sometimes doesn&#39;t. In my experience, =
the only one still using I.E. is the CTO who doesn&#39;t know how to turn h=
is computer on, and his secretary comes in and shows him how to start Chrom=
e and that&#39;s the end of it.</div><div><br></div><div>I can remember onl=
y getting one complaint from anyone ever, and when I explained that Interne=
t Explorer was written in a time before the Internet had standards, and now=
 it doesn&#39;t work right any more, he switched to Chrome and was good wit=
h it.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quot=
e"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 10:07 AM B=
ill Evans &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:billev2k@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">bille=
v2k@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddi=
ng-left:1ex">It is not doing people a favor to help them continue to use an=
 unsupported browser that no longer receives security updates. <br>
<br>
Sent from my iPad<br>
<br>
On Apr 8, 2020, at 4:26 PM, Darren Duncan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:darren@darr=
enduncan.net" target=3D"_blank">darren@darrenduncan.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
=EF=BB=BFIf its hard to know how many people are actually using Internet Ex=
plorer:<br>
<br>
You could make the next release of pgAdmin display a message occasionally t=
o users of Internet Explorer saying that Internet Explorer will no longer b=
e officially supported in a future version, and when that version comes the=
 message says now no longer supported.<br>
<br>
You can then see how many people contact you about this to express concern.=
<br>
<br>
-- Darren Duncan<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>Regards,<br><br>Doug</div>

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