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From: Murtuza Zabuawala <murtuza.zabuawala@enterprisedb.com>
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2025 19:13:00 +0530
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Subject: Re: The new workspace layout
To: Anthony DeBarros <anthonymdebarros@gmail.com>
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On Fri, 7 Feb, 2025, 17:38 Anthony DeBarros, <anthonymdebarros@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear Hackers,
>
> I have great respect for your efforts to continuously develop pgAdmin 4,
> and it has certainly come a long way since version 1.0. Not to mention,
> it=E2=80=99s free.  Thank you for all your hard work.
>
> All that said, I think making the new Workspace layout the default in v
> 9.0 was a regression and not an improvement, and already I see issues[1]
> raised[2] from users.
>
> I use pgAdmin and DataGrip every day for writing queries, and I have a
> fundamental issue with the new layout. Having the object explorer in a pa=
ne
> to the left of the query editor is a standard setup, and rightly so =E2=
=80=94 it=E2=80=99s
> hard to remember names of tables and columns, and drag-and-drop makes lif=
e
> easier. Having a layout that requires me to click another pane and
> disappear the query itself, then click back, is too many steps.
> Autocomplete doesn=E2=80=99t fill the need.
>
> Yes, I understand I can switch to =E2=80=9CClassic,=E2=80=9D and I=E2=80=
=99ve done so. But I want
> to be an advocate for newer users and others who are upgrading and won=E2=
=80=99t
> really understand what=E2=80=99s going on, where in settings to change th=
e layout,
> etc.
>
> A more gentle user experience for this type of change would have been to
> have v 9.0 keep the =E2=80=9CClassic=E2=80=9D layout as the default and a=
lert users upon
> first launch that a new workspace layout was available =E2=80=94 and expl=
ain where
> in the settings to make the change. Small popups announcing new features
> are a standard UX feature these days.
>
> That way, people can move on from the familiar to the new and know that
> they can switch back if they=E2=80=99d like. Trust me when I tell you tha=
t many,
> many pgAdmin users are students and people new to SQL who need hand-holdi=
ng
> from time to time.
>
> Thanks for listening,
> Anthony
>
> [1]
> https://github.com/pgadmin-org/pgadmin4/issues/7708#issuecomment-26402964=
46
> [2] https://github.com/pgadmin-org/pgadmin4/issues/8426
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"auto">+1</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_contain=
er"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, 7 Feb, 2025, 17:38 Anthon=
y DeBarros, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:anthonymdebarros@gmail.com">anthonymdebar=
ros@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><=
div dir=3D"ltr">Dear Hackers,<div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I have great r=
espect for your efforts to continuously develop pgAdmin 4, and it has certa=
inly come a long way since version 1.0. Not to mention, it=E2=80=99s free.=
=C2=A0 Thank you for all your hard work.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">All that said, I think making the new Workspace layout the d=
efault in v 9.0 was a regression and not an improvement, and already I see =
issues[1] raised[2] from users.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr">I use pgAdmin and DataGrip every day for writing queries, and I have =
a fundamental issue with the new layout. Having the object explorer in a pa=
ne to the left of the query editor is a standard setup, and rightly so =E2=
=80=94 it=E2=80=99s hard to remember names of tables and columns, and drag-=
and-drop makes life easier. Having a layout that requires me to click anoth=
er pane and disappear the query itself, then click back, is too many steps.=
 Autocomplete doesn=E2=80=99t fill the need.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr">Yes, I understand I can switch to =E2=80=9CClassic,=E2=
=80=9D and I=E2=80=99ve done so. But I want to be an advocate for newer use=
rs and others who are upgrading and won=E2=80=99t really understand what=E2=
=80=99s going on, where in settings to change the layout, etc.</div><div di=
r=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">A more gentle user experience for this=
 type of change would have been to have v 9.0 keep the =E2=80=9CClassic=E2=
=80=9D layout as the default and alert users upon first launch that a new w=
orkspace layout was available =E2=80=94 and explain where in the settings t=
o make the change. Small popups announcing new features are a standard UX f=
eature these days.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">That wa=
y, people can move on from the familiar to the new and know that they can s=
witch back if they=E2=80=99d like. Trust me when I tell you that many, many=
 pgAdmin users are students and people new to SQL who need hand-holding fro=
m time to time.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks for=
 listening,</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Anthony</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr">[1]=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://github.com/pgadmin-org/pgadmin4=
/issues/7708#issuecomment-2640296446" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">=
https://github.com/pgadmin-org/pgadmin4/issues/7708#issuecomment-2640296446=
</a></div><div dir=3D"ltr">[2]=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://github.com/pgadmin-o=
rg/pgadmin4/issues/8426" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://githu=
b.com/pgadmin-org/pgadmin4/issues/8426</a></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div></div></div>
</blockquote></div>

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