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I select a database from the Object Explorer in the Default > Workspace, click the "Query Tool" icon and then enter my query. That way, > I bypass the Welcome tab, because the Object Explorer provided all the > necessary context. > > So, can I hide the "Welcome" tab of the Query Tool Workspace, since it's > occupying perpetually-scarce tab space? I can't see how I would ever use > it. Or, perhaps if it actually let me pick one of the databases from one > of my servers (i.e., same high-level information as is currently shown in > the full Object Explorer) from a pre-populated list, then maybe I could be > convinced to change my workflow to start from the Query Tool Workspace > rather than starting in the Object Explorer in the Default Workspace. But > at this point, in order to use the Welcome tab, I'm required to re-type all > the information that's already known in the Object Explorer... so I don't > understand how the Welcome tab is providing value. > You can select an existing server in the combo box at the top, and all the connection info will be filled in for you to use/edit as you like. You can also use it to connect to databases on an ad-hoc one off basis, without registering them in the treeview. We can probably make it so the welcome tab can be hidden - we already do that for some of the other tabs. > > That having been said, I also want to ech Doug's appreciation for > continually improving and supporting pgAdmin. > I'm sure I speak for all the contributors when I say you're welcome. Thank you all for the feedback. > > Cheers, > Dave > > > On Mon, 10 Feb 2025 at 11:04, Doug Reed wrote: > >> All, >> >> I have been using pgAdmin4 9.0 for a few days now, and wanted to provide >> some feedback. >> >> Overall, I like the changes. It took me a couple of hours to get used to >> the changes, and at first I thought there might be use cases where >> one might need a side-by-side interface, but after using it... I can't >> think of any. >> >> I find that "Let's connect to the server" screen an annoying >> distraction. It can just be ignored and it goes away if you click on a >> different tab, but from a User Interface point of view, I think you should >> only get that screen if you click on the 'Query Tool Workspace' and there >> are no windows open.. Otherwise, it should probably just go to the >> adjacent tab as it did before the change. If I have windows open, I am >> already logged into a server, and I am not going to go through another >> login... Especially since I probably have my credentials saved in the >> 'Default Workspace' tab, so it's much easier to just expand a server and >> open a new query window than it is to fumble around typing server names and >> passwords. >> >> As always.. Thanque for making pgAdmin just an excellent tool! >> -- >> Regards, >> >> Doug >> > -- Dave Page pgAdmin: https://www.pgadmin.org PostgreSQL: https://www.postgresql.org pgEdge: https://www.pgedge.com --0000000000001e8c9b062dcc98dd Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Mon, 10 Feb = 2025 at 16:24, Dave Caughey <caugh= eyd@gmail.com> wrote:
I concur.=C2=A0 I select a database from the Object Explorer in the Defau= lt Workspace, click the "Query Tool" icon and then enter my query= .=C2=A0 That way, I bypass the Welcome tab, because the Object Explorer pro= vided all the necessary context.

So, can I hide th= e "Welcome" tab of the Query Tool Workspace, since it's occup= ying perpetually-scarce tab space?=C2=A0 I can't see how I would ever u= se it.=C2=A0 Or, perhaps if it actually let me pick one of the databases fr= om one of my servers (i.e., same high-level information as is currently sho= wn in the full Object Explorer) from a pre-populated list, then maybe I cou= ld be convinced to change my workflow to start from the Query Tool Workspac= e rather than starting in the Object Explorer in the Default Workspace.=C2= =A0 =C2=A0But at this point, in order to use the Welcome tab, I'm requi= red to re-type all the information that's already known in the Object E= xplorer... so I don't understand how the Welcome=C2=A0tab is providing = value.

You can select an existi= ng server in the combo box at the top, and all the connection info will be = filled in for you to use/edit as you like. You can also use it to connect t= o databases on an ad-hoc one off basis, without registering them in the tre= eview.

We can probably make it so the welcome tab = can be hidden - we already do that for some of the other tabs.
= =C2=A0

That havi= ng been said, I also want to ech Doug's appreciation for continually im= proving and supporting pgAdmin.

I'm sure I speak for all the contributors when I say you're welcom= e. Thank you all for the feedback.
=C2=A0
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Cheers,
Dave

On Mon, 10 Feb 2025 at 11:04, Doug Reed <r.douglas.reed@gmail.com> wrote:
All,

I have been=C2=A0using pgAdmin4 9.0 for a few days now, a= nd wanted to provide some feedback.

Overall, I lik= e the changes.=C2=A0 It took me a couple of hours to get used to the change= s, and at first I thought there might be use cases where one=C2=A0might nee= d a side-by-side interface, but after using it...=C2=A0 I can't think o= f any.

I find=C2=A0that "Let's connect to= the server" screen an annoying distraction.=C2=A0 It can just be igno= red and it goes away if you click on a different tab, but from a User Inter= face point of view, I think you should only get that screen if you click on= the 'Query Tool Workspace' and there are no windows open..=C2=A0 O= therwise, it=C2=A0should probably just go to the adjacent tab as it did bef= ore the change.=C2=A0 If I have windows open, I am already logged into a se= rver, and I am not going to go through another login... Especially since I = probably=C2=A0have my credentials saved in the 'Default Workspace' = tab, so it's much easier to just expand=C2=A0a server and open a new qu= ery window than it is to fumble=C2=A0around typing server names and passwor= ds.

As always..=C2=A0 Thanque=C2=A0for making pgAd= min just an excellent tool!
--
Regards,

Doug


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