Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1erSBr-0002Jo-1b for pgsql-admin@arkaria.postgresql.org; Thu, 01 Mar 2018 17:40:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1erSBo-0002gI-MG for pgsql-admin@arkaria.postgresql.org; Thu, 01 Mar 2018 17:40:20 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:1501:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1erSBo-0002fP-BE for pgsql-admin@lists.postgresql.org; Thu, 01 Mar 2018 17:40:20 +0000 Received: from smtprelay0099.b.hostedemail.com ([64.98.42.99] helo=smtprelay.b.hostedemail.com) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1erSBl-0006cu-9y for pgsql-admin@postgresql.org; Thu, 01 Mar 2018 17:40:18 +0000 Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (10.5.19.248.rfc1918.com [10.5.19.248]) by smtprelay01.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B31062D2A11; Thu, 1 Mar 2018 17:40:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Session-Marker: 616C76686572726540616C76682E6E6F2D69702E6F7267 X-Spam-Summary: 90,0,0,,d41d8cd98f00b204,alvherre@alvh.no-ip.org,:::::,RULES_HIT:41:355:379:599:960:965:966:967:973:988:989:1260:1277:1311:1312:1313:1314:1345:1359:1437:1515:1516:1518:1519:1534:1541:1593:1594:1595:1596:1711:1730:1747:1777:1792:2196:2199:2393:2525:2560:2563:2682:2685:2693:2828:2859:2933:2937:2939:2942:2945:2947:2951:2954:3022:3138:3139:3140:3141:3142:3352:3865:3867:3868:3870:3872:3873:3874:3934:3936:3938:3941:3944:3947:3950:3953:3956:3959:4385:4390:4395:4605:5007:6119:6261:8957:9025:9121:10004:10400:10450:10455:10848:11026:11232:11658:11914:12438:12660:12663:13069:13311:13357:13439:13894:13895:14721:14764:19904:19999:21080:21451:21627:30012:30054:30070,0,RBL:179.57.113.18:@alvh.no-ip.org:.lbl8.mailshell.net-62.8.63.190 64.201.201.201,CacheIP:none,Bayesian:0.5,0.5,0.5,Netcheck:none,DomainCache:0,MSF:not bulk,SPF:fn,MSBL:0,DNSBL:no-ip.org-dnsbl7.mailshell.net-127.4.0.190,Custom_rules:0:0:0,LFtime:76,LUA_SUMMARY:none X-HE-Tag: paper41_1f2a8890df2e X-Filterd-Recvd-Size: 2029 Received: from alvin.alvh.no-ip.org (unknown [179.57.113.18]) (Authenticated sender: alvherre@alvh.no-ip.org) by omf11.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Thu, 1 Mar 2018 17:40:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by alvin.alvh.no-ip.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A99F2751; Thu, 1 Mar 2018 14:40:10 -0300 (-03) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 14:40:10 -0300 From: Alvaro Herrera To: Andres Freund Cc: Alexandre Garcia , "pgsql-admin@postgresql.org" Subject: Re: postgresql 9.6 - cannot freeze committed xmax Message-ID: <20180301174010.vqrjlps5stz6opzd@alvherre.pgsql> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20180228234944.hjastb2mqr7rdnw5@alap3.anarazel.de> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170306-137-4415bd-dirty (1.8.0) List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Precedence: bulk Andres Freund wrote: > Wonder if this a big enough fix? Isn't the bug "one layer up"? We > shouldn't do the TransactionIdPrecedes() calls in the surrounding block, > in the first place, right? Right now we could very well hit both > ERROR: found xmax %u from before relfrozenxid %u > and > ERROR: cannot freeze committed xmax %u > and freeze_xmax, totally_frozen will be wrong. I think that's largely > harmless, but we should fix it nonetheless, and inspect other relevant > sites. Hmm ... After reading the 9.2 code, I don't think so. These values must absolutely be still within the freeze limits. The version pre-pgupgrade should have replaced the xmax with InvalidTransactionId as soon as the tuple was freezable. In fact, I checked 9.2's code and heap_tuple_needs_freeze tests "if xmax not a multi and < cutoff_xid"; and in that case heap_freeze_tuple does change the value to 0. I hope I'm not misunderstanding what you mean. -- Álvaro Herrera https://www.2ndQuadrant.com/ PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Remote DBA, Training & Services