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* Wal_keep_size
@ 2025-10-06 19:50 Raj <[email protected]>
  2025-10-06 21:38 ` Re: Wal_keep_size Thomas Carroll <[email protected]>
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From: Raj @ 2025-10-06 19:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Pgsql-admin <[email protected]>

Should Wal_keep_size <= max_wal_size ?


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* Re: Wal_keep_size
  2025-10-06 19:50 Wal_keep_size Raj <[email protected]>
@ 2025-10-06 21:38 ` Thomas Carroll <[email protected]>
  2025-10-07 04:52   ` Re: Wal_keep_size Raj <[email protected]>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread

From: Thomas Carroll @ 2025-10-06 21:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Pgsql-admin <[email protected]>; Raj <[email protected]>

 Hope nobody minds me chipping in here.
The answer is "not necessarily."  The names make them seem closely related, but not so much.
max_wal_size is all about checkpoints.  When the WAL exceeds this, Postgres will try to run a checkpoint.  Under some circumstances it won't, but let's keep it simple for now.
wal_keep_size is all about replication.  Replicas need WAL files to stick around for long enough that they can process them.  wal_keep_size is a minimum figure.
Tom    On Monday, October 6, 2025 at 03:51:17 PM EDT, Raj <[email protected]> wrote:  
 
 Should Wal_keep_size <= max_wal_size ?  

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* Re: Wal_keep_size
  2025-10-06 19:50 Wal_keep_size Raj <[email protected]>
  2025-10-06 21:38 ` Re: Wal_keep_size Thomas Carroll <[email protected]>
@ 2025-10-07 04:52   ` Raj <[email protected]>
  2025-10-07 04:54     ` Re: Wal_keep_size Raj <[email protected]>
  2025-10-07 05:28     ` Re: Wal_keep_size Laurenz Albe <[email protected]>
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread

From: Raj @ 2025-10-07 04:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Thomas Carroll <[email protected]>; +Cc: Pgsql-admin <[email protected]>

If wal_keep_size is more than max_wal_size wouldn't it always trigger
checkpoint ?

On Tue, 7 Oct 2025, 03:08 Thomas Carroll, <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hope nobody minds me chipping in here.
>
> The answer is "not necessarily."  The names make them seem closely
> related, but not so much.
>
> max_wal_size is all about *checkpoints*.  When the WAL exceeds this,
> Postgres will try to run a checkpoint.  Under some circumstances it won't,
> but let's keep it simple for now.
>
> wal_keep_size is all about *replication*.  Replicas need WAL files to
> stick around for long enough that they can process them.  wal_keep_size is
> a minimum figure.
>
> Tom
> On Monday, October 6, 2025 at 03:51:17 PM EDT, Raj <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Should Wal_keep_size <= max_wal_size ?
>


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* Re: Wal_keep_size
  2025-10-06 19:50 Wal_keep_size Raj <[email protected]>
  2025-10-06 21:38 ` Re: Wal_keep_size Thomas Carroll <[email protected]>
  2025-10-07 04:52   ` Re: Wal_keep_size Raj <[email protected]>
@ 2025-10-07 04:54     ` Raj <[email protected]>
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread

From: Raj @ 2025-10-07 04:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Thomas Carroll <[email protected]>; +Cc: Pgsql-admin <[email protected]>

Note archive mode is enabled.

On Tue, 7 Oct 2025, 10:22 Raj, <[email protected]> wrote:

> If wal_keep_size is more than max_wal_size wouldn't it always trigger
> checkpoint ?
>
> On Tue, 7 Oct 2025, 03:08 Thomas Carroll, <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hope nobody minds me chipping in here.
>>
>> The answer is "not necessarily."  The names make them seem closely
>> related, but not so much.
>>
>> max_wal_size is all about *checkpoints*.  When the WAL exceeds this,
>> Postgres will try to run a checkpoint.  Under some circumstances it won't,
>> but let's keep it simple for now.
>>
>> wal_keep_size is all about *replication*.  Replicas need WAL files to
>> stick around for long enough that they can process them.  wal_keep_size is
>> a minimum figure.
>>
>> Tom
>> On Monday, October 6, 2025 at 03:51:17 PM EDT, Raj <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Should Wal_keep_size <= max_wal_size ?
>>
>


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* Re: Wal_keep_size
  2025-10-06 19:50 Wal_keep_size Raj <[email protected]>
  2025-10-06 21:38 ` Re: Wal_keep_size Thomas Carroll <[email protected]>
  2025-10-07 04:52   ` Re: Wal_keep_size Raj <[email protected]>
@ 2025-10-07 05:28     ` Laurenz Albe <[email protected]>
  2025-10-12 07:55       ` Re: Wal_keep_size Raj <[email protected]>
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread

From: Laurenz Albe @ 2025-10-07 05:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Raj <[email protected]>; Thomas Carroll <[email protected]>; +Cc: Pgsql-admin <[email protected]>

On Tue, 2025-10-07 at 10:22 +0530, Raj wrote:
> If wal_keep_size is more than max_wal_size wouldn't it always trigger checkpoint ?

No.  "max_wal_size" has no direct connection with the size of WAL (and I
think we should have chosen a different name for that parameter).  The
parameter is about the amount of WAL *generated since the latest checkpoint*,
not about the absolute amount of WAL present.

Yours,
Laurenz Albe





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* Re: Wal_keep_size
  2025-10-06 19:50 Wal_keep_size Raj <[email protected]>
  2025-10-06 21:38 ` Re: Wal_keep_size Thomas Carroll <[email protected]>
  2025-10-07 04:52   ` Re: Wal_keep_size Raj <[email protected]>
  2025-10-07 05:28     ` Re: Wal_keep_size Laurenz Albe <[email protected]>
@ 2025-10-12 07:55       ` Raj <[email protected]>
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread

From: Raj @ 2025-10-12 07:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Laurenz Albe <[email protected]>; +Cc: Thomas Carroll <[email protected]>; Pgsql-admin <[email protected]>

Thanks for the clarification.

On Tue, 7 Oct 2025 at 10:58, Laurenz Albe <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Tue, 2025-10-07 at 10:22 +0530, Raj wrote:
> > If wal_keep_size is more than max_wal_size wouldn't it always trigger
> checkpoint ?
>
> No.  "max_wal_size" has no direct connection with the size of WAL (and I
> think we should have chosen a different name for that parameter).  The
> parameter is about the amount of WAL *generated since the latest
> checkpoint*,
> not about the absolute amount of WAL present.
>
> Yours,
> Laurenz Albe
>


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