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* Better I/O throughput? (was Re: create tablespace - cannot run inside a transaction block)
@ 2019-09-25 19:40 Ron <ronljohnsonjr@gmail.com>
  2019-09-25 19:44 ` Re: Better I/O throughput? (was Re: create tablespace - cannot run inside a transaction block) Avin Kavish <avinkavish@gmail.com>
  2019-09-26 18:57 ` Re: Better I/O throughput? (was Re: create tablespace - cannot run inside a transaction block) Laurenz Albe <laurenz.albe@cybertec.at>
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From: Ron @ 2019-09-25 19:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: pgsql-admin@lists.postgresql.org

On 9/25/19 2:16 PM, Laurenz Albe wrote:
> On Wed, 2019-09-25 at 14:50 +0000, Pepe TD Vo wrote:
>> Normally, in Oracle we need to create database, tablespace then
>> username/schema and tables, objects, etc...
>>
>> is the procedure as same as in Postgres?  I see the login and schema
>> are totally different in Postgres.
> No, normally you don't create tablespaces in PostgreSQL.
> They are a few use cases for them, but not many.

Do I/O requests in the Linux kernel get "backlogged" when they all hit the 
same device?  Or would you get better throughput (or less latency) by 
spreading the load across multiple devices?

(A long-running synchronous IO request seems it would block everything 
behind it, whereas objects in tablespaces on different devices could still 
be queried.)

-- 
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* Re: Better I/O throughput? (was Re: create tablespace - cannot run inside a transaction block)
  2019-09-25 19:40 Better I/O throughput? (was Re: create tablespace - cannot run inside a transaction block) Ron <ronljohnsonjr@gmail.com>
@ 2019-09-25 19:44 ` Avin Kavish <avinkavish@gmail.com>
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From: Avin Kavish @ 2019-09-25 19:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ron <ronljohnsonjr@gmail.com>; +Cc: pgsql-admin@lists.postgresql.org

In reply to the original question being raised about an RDS instance,
afaik, there's no need to do tablespaces on RDS as IOPS is provisioned as
requested, the actual hardware implementation is abstracted away and
irrelevant.

On Thu., 26 Sep. 2019, 1:10 am Ron, <ronljohnsonjr@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 9/25/19 2:16 PM, Laurenz Albe wrote:
> > On Wed, 2019-09-25 at 14:50 +0000, Pepe TD Vo wrote:
> >> Normally, in Oracle we need to create database, tablespace then
> >> username/schema and tables, objects, etc...
> >>
> >> is the procedure as same as in Postgres?  I see the login and schema
> >> are totally different in Postgres.
> > No, normally you don't create tablespaces in PostgreSQL.
> > They are a few use cases for them, but not many.
>
> Do I/O requests in the Linux kernel get "backlogged" when they all hit the
> same device?  Or would you get better throughput (or less latency) by
> spreading the load across multiple devices?
>
> (A long-running synchronous IO request seems it would block everything
> behind it, whereas objects in tablespaces on different devices could still
> be queried.)
>
> --
> Angular momentum makes the world go 'round.
>
>
>

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* Re: Better I/O throughput? (was Re: create tablespace - cannot run inside a transaction block)
  2019-09-25 19:40 Better I/O throughput? (was Re: create tablespace - cannot run inside a transaction block) Ron <ronljohnsonjr@gmail.com>
@ 2019-09-26 18:57 ` Laurenz Albe <laurenz.albe@cybertec.at>
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 3+ messages in thread

From: Laurenz Albe @ 2019-09-26 18:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ron <ronljohnsonjr@gmail.com>; pgsql-admin@lists.postgresql.org

On Wed, 2019-09-25 at 14:40 -0500, Ron wrote:
> > No, normally you don't create tablespaces in PostgreSQL.
> > They are a few use cases for them, but not many.
> 
> Do I/O requests in the Linux kernel get "backlogged" when they all
> hit the 
> same device?  Or would you get better throughput (or less latency)
> by 
> spreading the load across multiple devices?

Sure, spreading I/O across multiple devices is one use case for
tablespaces.  But usually this is easier to do by striping a
logical volume across several physical volumes at a lower level.

Yours,
Laurenz Albe
-- 
Cybertec | https://www.cybertec-postgresql.com






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