Received: from localhost (maia-3.hub.org [200.46.204.184]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9A469FBDD2 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 14:58:53 -0300 (ADT) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.184]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 71540-01-2 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 14:58:34 -0300 (ADT) X-Greylist: domain auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.5 Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.182]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB829FC214 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 14:57:08 -0300 (ADT) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k40so2579496wah for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 10:57:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kELWt0WUb3LHXb+CvtTvF3epkoQInOqF8uGufdML8xAlWzV9CtFJgvwO9JnsJSdDVF6NxPaUEwvHoiFJk0s6qD5Vcy6hEmB4wLKcBcqAFsiKCjxFSKf2GTQuaUl2A0Wkk6Bdh2isxUUnMxQIgGOMbXfCZLb5JIU6jzUlqxeZXY8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Uk909buZjStR7WV6tnJyv3lD8kg/ZKZcWXGj3aZB0b0nSQzKnE8XGGVz3eqcO2ZGBaAta+E3NV6W40AjZ5N2t/CD7MWkhvn+1QjNDZSCCQ2ltdUMCqD9zMNmGrGO7DjSED1utLx+MeZ+JQfew50m1ubMc8hX+prTOI9xt/yK/88= Received: by 10.114.60.19 with SMTP id i19mr6368174waa.1182189427067; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 10:57:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.47.12 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 10:57:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <36e682920706181057w13f2732co1bf7aecd0d0d5611@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:57:06 -0400 From: "Jonah H. Harris" To: "Joshua D. Drake" Subject: Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [PERFORM] Postgres VS Oracle Cc: "Andreas Kostyrka" , "David Tokmatchi" , pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org, pgsql-admin@postgresql.org, pgsql-novice@postgresql.org, pgsql-general@postgresql.org, pgsql-performance@postgresql.org In-Reply-To: <4676C60F.3060707@commandprompt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <36e682920706180910y519bc6a5h11e0ba56f45009ec@mail.gmail.com> <4676B7C7.6020801@kostyrka.org> <36e682920706181002i495f3fc3s2d55472e36a91b63@mail.gmail.com> <4676BE31.6040701@commandprompt.com> <36e682920706181038r21f88631w46960c28b42aeef8@mail.gmail.com> <4676C60F.3060707@commandprompt.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Archive-Number: 200706/144 X-Sequence-Number: 25812 On 6/18/07, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > Yeah funny how you didn't do that ;) (of course neither did I). I agree, an oops on my part :) > It is amazing how completely misguided you are in this response. I > haven't said anything closed minded. I only responded to your rather > antagonistic response to a reasonably innocuous question of: "As a > cynic, I might ask, what Oracle is fearing? " I wasn't responding to you, just to the seemingly closed-mindedness of the original question/statement. We're all aware of the reasons, for and against, proprietary system licenses prohibiting benchmarking. > It is a good question to ask, and a good question to discuss. Certainly, but can one expect to get a realistic answer to an, "is Oracle fearing something" question on he PostgreSQL list? Or was it just a backhanded attempt at pushing the topic again? My vote is for the latter; it served no purpose other than to push the competitiveness topic again. > I haven't seen any bashing going on yet. Shall we start with the closed > mindedness and unfairness of per cpu license and support models? Not preferably, you make me type too much :) -- Jonah H. Harris, Software Architect | phone: 732.331.1324 EnterpriseDB Corporation | fax: 732.331.1301 33 Wood Ave S, 3rd Floor | jharris@enterprisedb.com Iselin, New Jersey 08830 | http://www.enterprisedb.com/