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* Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization
@ 2009-02-02 21:57 Scott Runnion <srunnion@mac.com>
2009-02-02 22:29 ` Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Scott Marlowe <scott.marlowe@gmail.com>
2009-02-02 22:48 ` Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Richard Broersma <richard.broersma@gmail.com>
2009-02-02 22:59 ` Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Richard Broersma <richard.broersma@gmail.com>
2009-02-02 23:22 ` Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com>
2009-02-03 00:06 ` Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Daniel J. Summers <daniel@djs-consulting.com>
2009-02-03 00:42 ` Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
2009-02-03 01:34 ` Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Michael Monnerie <michael.monnerie@is.it-management.at>
2009-02-03 02:28 ` Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Ray Stell <stellr@cns.vt.edu>
2009-02-03 07:47 ` Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Jaume Sabater <jsabater@gmail.com>
2009-02-03 15:53 ` Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Craig Servin <cservin@cromagnon.com>
2009-02-04 02:00 ` Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Benjamin Krajmalnik <kraj@illumen.com>
2009-02-05 16:57 ` Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Sylvain Avril <avrils@gmail.com>
0 siblings, 12 replies; 26+ messages in thread
From: Scott Runnion @ 2009-02-02 21:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-admin
As a subscriber to many postgresql mailing lists, I received one today
in which Bruce Momjian was respondind to a query from Stefano Nichele
regarding the last_autovacuum field. As always, Bruce's response was
cogent and undoubtedly accurate. What astounded and dismayed me,
however, was his signature byline, which reads:
-
Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us
EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com
+ If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
Surely, given the multi-cultural/multi-national/multi-theological users/supporters/advocates of the postgresql and EnterpriseDB developments and distributions, the inappropriateness of this declaration by Mr. Momjian _as a representative of EnterpriseDB_ is inexcusable, unless EnterpriseDB itself is positing itself as a secularly-biased organization.
Regardless, please terminate all further communications from all postgresql and EnterpriseDB mail lists until such time as this situation can be corrected.
Scott Runnion
srunnion@mac.com
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* Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization
2009-02-02 21:57 Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Scott Runnion <srunnion@mac.com>
@ 2009-02-02 22:29 ` Scott Marlowe <scott.marlowe@gmail.com>
2009-02-02 22:39 ` Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Scott Marlowe <scott.marlowe@gmail.com>
11 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread
From: Scott Marlowe @ 2009-02-02 22:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Scott Runnion <srunnion@mac.com>; +Cc: pgsql-admin
Really? Really? I'm a Wiccan and I genuinely like Bruce and
appreciate all the work he does for this list. That line is HIS
testimony, it's his truth, and I'm quite happy seeing it go by each
time he writes a message. My girlfriend is Christian (and a few other
things) and I've been to her church, where the pastor welcomed me with
open arms, even knowing I was not Christian.
Leave the guy alone.
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Scott Runnion <srunnion@mac.com> wrote:
> As a subscriber to many postgresql mailing lists, I received one today in
> which Bruce Momjian was respondind to a query from Stefano Nichele regarding
> the last_autovacuum field. As always, Bruce's response was cogent and
> undoubtedly accurate. What astounded and dismayed me, however, was his
> signature byline, which reads:
>
> - Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us
> EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com
>
> + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
>
>
> Surely, given the multi-cultural/multi-national/multi-theological
> users/supporters/advocates of the postgresql and EnterpriseDB developments
> and distributions, the inappropriateness of this declaration by Mr. Momjian
> _as a representative of EnterpriseDB_ is inexcusable, unless EnterpriseDB
> itself is positing itself as a secularly-biased organization.
> Regardless, please terminate all further communications from all postgresql
> and EnterpriseDB mail lists until such time as this situation can be
> corrected.
>
> Scott Runnion
> srunnion@mac.com
>
>
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carrying a cross - Sinclair Lewis
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* Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization
2009-02-02 21:57 Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Scott Runnion <srunnion@mac.com>
2009-02-02 22:29 ` Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Scott Marlowe <scott.marlowe@gmail.com>
@ 2009-02-02 22:39 ` Scott Marlowe <scott.marlowe@gmail.com>
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From: Scott Marlowe @ 2009-02-02 22:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Scott Runnion <srunnion@mac.com>; +Cc: pgsql-admin
Just FYI, searching the mailing list archives, I get 1000+ hits for
"Bruce Momjian" and the word thanks in the history of the mailing
lists. My name gets 782 or so. Scott Runnion doesn't seem to appear
at all.
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* Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization
2009-02-02 21:57 Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Scott Runnion <srunnion@mac.com>
@ 2009-02-02 22:48 ` Richard Broersma <richard.broersma@gmail.com>
11 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread
From: Richard Broersma @ 2009-02-02 22:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Scott Runnion <srunnion@mac.com>; +Cc: pgsql-admin
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Scott Runnion <srunnion@mac.com> wrote:
> As always, Bruce's response was cogent and
> undoubtedly accurate. What astounded and dismayed me, however, was his
> signature byline, which reads:
The last time I checked there is only a requirement that subject
headers need to be on topic. So far us users are free to advocate
anthing we want in our signatures as long as it is not vulgar.
Aside from this, we individually have the freedom to spam-bucket
anyone's emails that astound and dismay us.
--
Regards,
Richard Broersma Jr.
Visit the Los Angeles PostgreSQL Users Group (LAPUG)
http://pugs.postgresql.org/lapug
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* Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization
2009-02-02 21:57 Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Scott Runnion <srunnion@mac.com>
@ 2009-02-02 22:59 ` Richard Broersma <richard.broersma@gmail.com>
11 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread
From: Richard Broersma @ 2009-02-02 22:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Scott Runnion <srunnion@mac.com>; +Cc: pgsql-admin
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Scott Runnion <srunnion@mac.com> wrote:
> given the multi-cultural/multi-national/multi-theological
One other thought, given the truth of this statement we should
accepted that there are people on this list that fall into any/all of
these categories. What should not be tolerated is the putting down or
belittling people because they fall into anyone these categories.
--
Regards,
Richard Broersma Jr.
Visit the Los Angeles PostgreSQL Users Group (LAPUG)
http://pugs.postgresql.org/lapug
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* Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization
2009-02-02 21:57 Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Scott Runnion <srunnion@mac.com>
@ 2009-02-02 23:22 ` Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com>
2009-02-04 02:07 ` Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Benjamin Krajmalnik <kraj@illumen.com>
11 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread
From: Joshua D. Drake @ 2009-02-02 23:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Scott Runnion <srunnion@mac.com>; +Cc: pgsql-admin
On Mon, 2009-02-02 at 16:57 -0500, Scott Runnion wrote:
> Regardless, please terminate all further communications from all postgresql and EnterpriseDB mail lists until such time as this situation can be corrected.
>
Well others have already responded but let me just boil it down for you.
No.
Joshua D. Drake
--
PostgreSQL - XMPP: jdrake@jabber.postgresql.org
Consulting, Development, Support, Training
503-667-4564 - http://www.commandprompt.com/
The PostgreSQL Company, serving since 1997
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* Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization
2009-02-02 21:57 Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Scott Runnion <srunnion@mac.com>
2009-02-02 23:22 ` Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com>
@ 2009-02-04 02:07 ` Benjamin Krajmalnik <kraj@illumen.com>
2009-02-04 02:25 ` Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Scott Marlowe <scott.marlowe@gmail.com>
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From: Benjamin Krajmalnik @ 2009-02-04 02:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: jd@commandprompt.com; +Cc: pgsql-admin
He must be a card carrying member of the ACLU, and now he thinks he is
the G_d of these lists :)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pgsql-admin-owner@postgresql.org
> [mailto:pgsql-admin-owner@postgresql.org] On Behalf Of Joshua D. Drake
> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 4:22 PM
> To: Scott Runnion
> Cc: pgsql-admin@postgresql.org
> Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Totally inappropriate by-line for a
> major representative of this organization
>
> On Mon, 2009-02-02 at 16:57 -0500, Scott Runnion wrote:
>
>
> > Regardless, please terminate all further communications
> from all postgresql and EnterpriseDB mail lists until such
> time as this situation can be corrected.
> >
>
> Well others have already responded but let me just boil it
> down for you.
>
> No.
>
> Joshua D. Drake
>
> --
> PostgreSQL - XMPP: jdrake@jabber.postgresql.org
> Consulting, Development, Support, Training
> 503-667-4564 - http://www.commandprompt.com/
> The PostgreSQL Company, serving since 1997
>
>
> --
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* Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization
2009-02-02 21:57 Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Scott Runnion <srunnion@mac.com>
2009-02-02 23:22 ` Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com>
2009-02-04 02:07 ` Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Benjamin Krajmalnik <kraj@illumen.com>
@ 2009-02-04 02:25 ` Scott Marlowe <scott.marlowe@gmail.com>
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From: Scott Marlowe @ 2009-02-04 02:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Benjamin Krajmalnik <kraj@illumen.com>; +Cc: jd@commandprompt.com; pgsql-admin
Actually, the ACLU protects CIVIL LIBERTIES, like say, freedom of
speech. I think they'd be on Bruce's side here.
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Benjamin Krajmalnik <kraj@illumen.com> wrote:
> He must be a card carrying member of the ACLU, and now he thinks he is
> the G_d of these lists :)
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pgsql-admin-owner@postgresql.org
>> [mailto:pgsql-admin-owner@postgresql.org] On Behalf Of Joshua D. Drake
>> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 4:22 PM
>> To: Scott Runnion
>> Cc: pgsql-admin@postgresql.org
>> Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Totally inappropriate by-line for a
>> major representative of this organization
>>
>> On Mon, 2009-02-02 at 16:57 -0500, Scott Runnion wrote:
>>
>>
>> > Regardless, please terminate all further communications
>> from all postgresql and EnterpriseDB mail lists until such
>> time as this situation can be corrected.
>> >
>>
>> Well others have already responded but let me just boil it
>> down for you.
>>
>> No.
>>
>> Joshua D. Drake
>>
>> --
>> PostgreSQL - XMPP: jdrake@jabber.postgresql.org
>> Consulting, Development, Support, Training
>> 503-667-4564 - http://www.commandprompt.com/
>> The PostgreSQL Company, serving since 1997
>>
>>
>> --
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>> To make changes to your subscription:
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>>
>
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diversity.
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* Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization
2009-02-02 21:57 Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Scott Runnion <srunnion@mac.com>
@ 2009-02-03 00:06 ` Daniel J. Summers <daniel@djs-consulting.com>
11 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread
From: Daniel J. Summers @ 2009-02-03 00:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-admin
Scott Runnion wrote:
> + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
Is this his sig in every message, or does he have a random quote thing?
Regardless, my signature block from my personal e-mail account has this
quote:
"Who is more irrational? A man who believes in a God he doesn't see, or
a man who's offended by a God he doesn't believe in?" - Brad Stine
We're talking about a signature block, not the content of the message.
It's not like he replied to a query about pg_dumpall by saying "Acts
10:31 - 'Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, thou
and thy data.'" If you feel it's inappropriate, I would think that the
appropriate channel for complaint would be the company itself, not this
list of its users. And, to forsake this avenue of advice because of a
religious quote in a signature block would be, IMO, a foolish choice.
--
Daniel J. Summers
Owner, DJS Consulting
E-mail - daniel@djs-consulting.com <mailto:daniel@djs-consulting.com>
Website - http://www.djs-consulting.com <http://www.djs-consulting.com/;
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* Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization
2009-02-02 21:57 Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Scott Runnion <srunnion@mac.com>
@ 2009-02-03 00:42 ` Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
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From: Tom Lane @ 2009-02-03 00:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Scott Runnion <srunnion@mac.com>; +Cc: pgsql-admin
Scott Runnion <srunnion@mac.com> writes:
> ... What astounded and dismayed me,
> however, was his signature byline, which reads:
> + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
You do realize that he's signed all his outgoing mail with that since
1998 or so?
Whether it's appropriate to combine that with the EDB signature is
between him and EDB, I would say.
> Regardless, please terminate all further communications from all postgresql and EnterpriseDB mail lists until such time as this situation can be corrected.
If you mean you want to unsubscribe, feel free. See the directions
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regards, tom lane
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* Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization
2009-02-02 21:57 Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Scott Runnion <srunnion@mac.com>
@ 2009-02-03 01:34 ` Michael Monnerie <michael.monnerie@is.it-management.at>
2009-02-03 13:41 ` Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Shrirang Chitnis <Shrirang.Chitnis@hovservices.com>
11 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread
From: Michael Monnerie @ 2009-02-03 01:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-admin
On Montag 02 Februar 2009 Scott Runnion wrote:
> Regardless, please terminate all further communications from all
> postgresql
I hope that goes for you. Funny guy. Strange world...
A sig I love and use for another account:
// May those who love us, love us.
// And for those who don't love us, may the good Lord turn their hearts.
// And if He can't turn their hearts, may He turn their ankles
// So we'll know them by their limping.
mfg zmi
--
// Michael Monnerie, Ing.BSc.
----------------------------------
Sorcerers have their magic wands:
powerful, potentially dangerous tools with a life of their own.
Witches have their familiars:
creatures disguised as household beasts that could,
if they choose, wreak the witches' havoc.
Mystics have their golems:
beings built of wood and tin brought to life to do their
masters' bidding.
I have Linux.
----------------------------------
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* Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization
2009-02-02 21:57 Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Scott Runnion <srunnion@mac.com>
2009-02-03 01:34 ` Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Michael Monnerie <michael.monnerie@is.it-management.at>
@ 2009-02-03 13:41 ` Shrirang Chitnis <Shrirang.Chitnis@hovservices.com>
2009-02-03 14:50 ` Re: Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization tony <tony@tgds.net>
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From: Shrirang Chitnis @ 2009-02-03 13:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-admin
Funny, but I never noticed the signature until someone brought it to notice.
What I have noticed though that Bruce does share a lot of knowledge in the list and though I have not participated or asked questions, the mails have helped me a lot.
I bet it is the same for many users like me who regularly check the posts.
Shrirang.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Monnerie [mailto:michael.monnerie@is.it-management.at]
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:05 AM
To: pgsql-admin@postgresql.org
Subject: Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization
On Montag 02 Februar 2009 Scott Runnion wrote:
> Regardless, please terminate all further communications from all
> postgresql
I hope that goes for you. Funny guy. Strange world...
A sig I love and use for another account:
// May those who love us, love us.
// And for those who don't love us, may the good Lord turn their hearts.
// And if He can't turn their hearts, may He turn their ankles
// So we'll know them by their limping.
mfg zmi
--
// Michael Monnerie, Ing.BSc.
----------------------------------
Sorcerers have their magic wands:
powerful, potentially dangerous tools with a life of their own.
Witches have their familiars:
creatures disguised as household beasts that could,
if they choose, wreak the witches' havoc.
Mystics have their golems:
beings built of wood and tin brought to life to do their
masters' bidding.
I have Linux.
----------------------------------
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* Re: Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization
2009-02-02 21:57 Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Scott Runnion <srunnion@mac.com>
2009-02-03 01:34 ` Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Michael Monnerie <michael.monnerie@is.it-management.at>
2009-02-03 13:41 ` Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Shrirang Chitnis <Shrirang.Chitnis@hovservices.com>
@ 2009-02-03 14:50 ` tony <tony@tgds.net>
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From: tony @ 2009-02-03 14:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-admin
Le mardi 03 février 2009 à 08:41 -0500, Shrirang Chitnis a écrit :
> Funny, but I never noticed the signature until someone brought it to notice.
SHHHHH!!!! please don't bring up Larry Wall, then we are in big trouble
=:-D
Tony
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* Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization
2009-02-02 21:57 Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Scott Runnion <srunnion@mac.com>
@ 2009-02-03 02:28 ` Ray Stell <stellr@cns.vt.edu>
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From: Ray Stell @ 2009-02-03 02:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Scott Runnion <srunnion@mac.com>; +Cc: pgsql-admin
On Mon, Feb 02, 2009 at 04:57:21PM -0500, Scott Runnion wrote:
> Surely, given the multi-cultural/multi-national/multi-theological
> users/supporters/advocates of the postgresql and EnterpriseDB developments
> and distributions, the inappropriateness of this declaration by Mr. Momjian
This really interesting (imho) commentary appeared in papers around the U.S. today.
Maybe we can read, consider, and be like Emma and Charles. Maybe not:
http://www.cmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090131/OPINION/901310313/1025/LIVING04
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* Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization
2009-02-02 21:57 Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Scott Runnion <srunnion@mac.com>
@ 2009-02-03 07:47 ` Jaume Sabater <jsabater@gmail.com>
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From: Jaume Sabater @ 2009-02-03 07:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-admin
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Scott Runnion <srunnion@mac.com> wrote:
> Regardless, please terminate all further communications from all postgresql
> and EnterpriseDB mail lists until such time as this situation can be
> corrected.
Scott, please read my signature, find a Latin to English dictionary in
case that you can't read Latin, and meditate about it.
Seriously, I don't mind at all what he believes, or how he signs his
emails: he is a well respected person in the community, and he has the
right to believe whatever he wants to believe and express, politely
and without attacking other people, whatever he feels like expressing.
And it's an atheistic talking here.
I mean, come on... *sighs*
--
Jaume Sabater
http://linuxsilo.net/
"Ubi sapientas ibi libertas"
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* Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization
2009-02-02 21:57 Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Scott Runnion <srunnion@mac.com>
@ 2009-02-03 15:53 ` Craig Servin <cservin@cromagnon.com>
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From: Craig Servin @ 2009-02-03 15:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-admin
Wow, you are very easily dismayed!!
What sort of life does someone have when they go through it trying to insulate
themselves from any idea that makes them uncomfortable? Sounds very sterile.
On Monday 02 February 2009 03:57:21 pm Scott Runnion wrote:
> As a subscriber to many postgresql mailing lists, I received one today
> in which Bruce Momjian was respondind to a query from Stefano Nichele
> regarding the last_autovacuum field. As always, Bruce's response was
> cogent and undoubtedly accurate. What astounded and dismayed me,
> however, was his signature byline, which reads:
--
Kinky is using a feather,
Perverted is using the whole chicken.
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* Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization
2009-02-02 21:57 Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Scott Runnion <srunnion@mac.com>
@ 2009-02-04 02:00 ` Benjamin Krajmalnik <kraj@illumen.com>
11 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread
From: Benjamin Krajmalnik @ 2009-02-04 02:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Scott Runnion <srunnion@mac.com>; pgsql-admin
So what if he voices his beliefs.
This PC BS is over the top.
If you are so offended by his by-line, to the extent that you want to
remove yourself fomr the mailing lists, then by all means do so.
I am not a Christian (I am Jewish, so I guess that puts me one rung
below Bruce), and am definitely not offended his byline.
If you aspire to his byline, then that is great, and if you don't, that
is great too.
Bruce, as far as I am concerned, you can leave that byline on there
until hell freezes over :)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pgsql-admin-owner@postgresql.org
> [mailto:pgsql-admin-owner@postgresql.org] On Behalf Of Scott Runnion
> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 2:57 PM
> To: pgsql-admin@postgresql.org
> Subject: [ADMIN] Totally inappropriate by-line for a major
> representative of this organization
>
> As a subscriber to many postgresql mailing lists, I received
> one today in which Bruce Momjian was respondind to a query
> from Stefano Nichele regarding the last_autovacuum field. As
> always, Bruce's response was cogent and undoubtedly accurate.
> What astounded and dismayed me, however, was his signature
> byline, which reads:
>
> -
> Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us
> EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com
>
> + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
>
>
> Surely, given the
> multi-cultural/multi-national/multi-theological
> users/supporters/advocates of the postgresql and EnterpriseDB
> developments and distributions, the inappropriateness of this
> declaration by Mr. Momjian _as a representative of
> EnterpriseDB_ is inexcusable, unless EnterpriseDB itself is
> positing itself as a secularly-biased organization.
>
> Regardless, please terminate all further communications from
> all postgresql and EnterpriseDB mail lists until such time as
> this situation can be corrected.
>
> Scott Runnion
> srunnion@mac.com
>
>
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* Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization
2009-02-02 21:57 Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Scott Runnion <srunnion@mac.com>
@ 2009-02-05 16:57 ` Sylvain Avril <avrils@gmail.com>
2009-02-05 20:53 ` Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
11 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread
From: Sylvain Avril @ 2009-02-05 16:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-admin
I think you should read this and especially article 18 and 19 of this :
http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html
But yes you can argue that it was inspired by a previous declaration of a
silly group of frenchs :-).
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Scott Runnion <srunnion@mac.com> wrote:
> As a subscriber to many postgresql mailing lists, I received one today in
> which Bruce Momjian was respondind to a query from Stefano Nichele regarding
> the last_autovacuum field. As always, Bruce's response was cogent and
> undoubtedly accurate. What astounded and dismayed me, however, was his
> signature byline, which reads:
>
> - Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us
> EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com
>
> + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
>
>
> Surely, given the multi-cultural/multi-national/multi-theological
> users/supporters/advocates of the postgresql and EnterpriseDB developments
> and distributions, the inappropriateness of this declaration by Mr. Momjian
> _as a representative of EnterpriseDB_ is inexcusable, unless EnterpriseDB
> itself is positing itself as a secularly-biased organization.
> Regardless, please terminate all further communications from all postgresql
> and EnterpriseDB mail lists until such time as this situation can be
> corrected.
>
> Scott Runnion
> srunnion@mac.com
>
>
> --
> Sent via pgsql-admin mailing list (pgsql-admin@postgresql.org)
> To make changes to your subscription:
> http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-admin
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* Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization
2009-02-02 21:57 Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Scott Runnion <srunnion@mac.com>
2009-02-05 16:57 ` Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Sylvain Avril <avrils@gmail.com>
@ 2009-02-05 20:53 ` Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
0 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread
From: Simon Riggs @ 2009-02-05 20:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Sylvain Avril <avrils@gmail.com>; +Cc: pgsql-admin
On Thu, 2009-02-05 at 17:57 +0100, Sylvain Avril wrote:
> I think you should read this and especially article 18 and 19 of
> this :
> http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html
Interesting read, thanks.
OT: I see that Article 27 (2) appears to run directly counter to open
source software. And it would appear that paragraph is in direct
conflict with paragraph (1) of same article.
--
Simon Riggs www.2ndQuadrant.com
PostgreSQL Training, Services and Support
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* Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization
@ 2009-02-02 22:28 Dru Devore <ddevore@duckhouse.us>
0 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread
From: Dru Devore @ 2009-02-02 22:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-admin
I can't believe the world has come to this. When someone can't voice
their own beliefs the world has come to a very sad state.
I for one would be happy to have Christ be my backup.
Mr. Runnion,
You are being prejudice against not only Christians but anyone else that
wants to post a tagline saying something they believe. There is
something inherently wrong with that kind of thing.
As far as I am concerned, Bruce you keep it up I for one like the
tagline.
>
> As a subscriber to many postgresql mailing lists, I received one today
> in which Bruce Momjian was respondind to a query from Stefano Nichele
> regarding the last_autovacuum field. As always, Bruce's response was
> cogent and undoubtedly accurate. What astounded and dismayed me,
> however, was his signature byline, which reads:
>
> -
> Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us
> EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com
>
> + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
>
>
> Surely, given the multi-cultural/multi-national/multi-theological users/supporters/advocates of the postgresql and EnterpriseDB developments and distributions, the inappropriateness of this declaration by Mr. Momjian _as a representative of EnterpriseDB_ is inexcusable, unless EnterpriseDB itself is positing itself as a secularly-biased organization.
>
> Regardless, please terminate all further communications from all postgresql and EnterpriseDB mail lists until such time as this situation can be corrected.
>
> Scott Runnion
> srunnion@mac.com
>
>
> --
> Sent via pgsql-admin mailing list (pgsql-admin@postgresql.org)
> To make changes to your subscription:
> http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-admin
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* Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization
@ 2009-02-03 01:40 Dru Devore <ddevore@duckhouse.us>
2009-02-03 07:43 ` Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization A B <gentosaker@gmail.com>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread
From: Dru Devore @ 2009-02-03 01:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-admin
Here is mine and yes I have gotten a lot of flack over it. What is the
problem with trying to promote your faith and why do so many people have
problems with it?
---
Dru Devore
The best faith based online community.
The Faith Haven
www.thefaithhaven.com
Come join us, bookmark us, and enjoy!
>
> On Montag 02 Februar 2009 Scott Runnion wrote:
> > Regardless, please terminate all further communications from all
> > postgresql
>
> I hope that goes for you. Funny guy. Strange world...
>
> A sig I love and use for another account:
> // May those who love us, love us.
> // And for those who don't love us, may the good Lord turn their hearts.
> // And if He can't turn their hearts, may He turn their ankles
> // So we'll know them by their limping.
>
> mfg zmi
> --
> // Michael Monnerie, Ing.BSc.
> ----------------------------------
> Sorcerers have their magic wands:
> powerful, potentially dangerous tools with a life of their own.
> Witches have their familiars:
> creatures disguised as household beasts that could,
> if they choose, wreak the witches' havoc.
> Mystics have their golems:
> beings built of wood and tin brought to life to do their
> masters' bidding.
> I have Linux.
> ----------------------------------
>
>
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* Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization
2009-02-03 01:40 Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Dru Devore <ddevore@duckhouse.us>
@ 2009-02-03 07:43 ` A B <gentosaker@gmail.com>
2009-02-03 09:04 ` Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Scott Marlowe <scott.marlowe@gmail.com>
2009-02-03 16:40 ` Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Stephen Cook <sclists@gmail.com>
0 siblings, 2 replies; 26+ messages in thread
From: A B @ 2009-02-03 07:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dru Devore <ddevore@duckhouse.us>; +Cc: pgsql-admin
> Here is mine and yes I have gotten a lot of flack over it. What is the
> problem with trying to promote your faith and why do so many people have
> problems with it?
I have not looked into exactly what you claim to believe, but
generally: the problem is that the thing you are promoting includes
very offensive stuff, women abuse, killing gays, slavery and a lot of
other awful stuffIt's like admiring Stalin for stopping Hitler but
refusing to see the awful stuff he did.
I'd think it would be a major step forward if religions would take a
close look on what they are selling and edit their holy books.
Regards and peace and love to you all.
---
Mysql is the best and postgresql sucks. There are no problems with
mysql but postgresql sucks.
That is the way it is and if you do not believe that your data is
going to be corrupted.
Postgresql is like GNOMEs writing the data in EMACS on a MAC.
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* Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization
2009-02-03 01:40 Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Dru Devore <ddevore@duckhouse.us>
2009-02-03 07:43 ` Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization A B <gentosaker@gmail.com>
@ 2009-02-03 09:04 ` Scott Marlowe <scott.marlowe@gmail.com>
1 sibling, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread
From: Scott Marlowe @ 2009-02-03 09:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: A B <gentosaker@gmail.com>; +Cc: Dru Devore <ddevore@duckhouse.us>; pgsql-admin
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 12:43 AM, A B <gentosaker@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Here is mine and yes I have gotten a lot of flack over it. What is the
>> problem with trying to promote your faith and why do so many people have
>> problems with it?
>
> I have not looked into exactly what you claim to believe, but
> generally: the problem is that the thing you are promoting includes
> very offensive stuff, women abuse, killing gays, slavery and a lot of
> other awful stuffIt's like admiring Stalin for stopping Hitler but
> refusing to see the awful stuff he did.
> I'd think it would be a major step forward if religions would take a
> close look on what they are selling and edit their holy books.
You do realize you're painting all Christians with a large brush, and
demonizing them, right? The same method used to dehumanize people and
justify their poor treatment? I'm pretty sure most of my Christian
friends aren't into abusing women, taking slaves, and killing all the
gheys.
> Mysql is the best and postgresql sucks. There are no problems with
> mysql but postgresql sucks.
Then please stop using PostgreSQL and start using MySQL. If you need
help unsubscribing, just go here:
http://www.postgresql.org/community/lists/subscribe
If Bruce were on a Wiccan chat list, and his signature looked like it
does, it would be much less offensive than the one you just used.
Why? Because his has no negative or insulting tone. Yours does. See
the difference?
--
When fascism comes to America, it will be the intolerant selling
fascism as diversity.
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* Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization
2009-02-03 01:40 Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Dru Devore <ddevore@duckhouse.us>
2009-02-03 07:43 ` Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization A B <gentosaker@gmail.com>
@ 2009-02-03 16:40 ` Stephen Cook <sclists@gmail.com>
2009-02-03 16:45 ` Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com>
1 sibling, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread
From: Stephen Cook @ 2009-02-03 16:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: A B <gentosaker@gmail.com>; +Cc: Dru Devore <ddevore@duckhouse.us>; pgsql-admin
A B wrote:
> I have not looked into exactly what you claim to believe, but
> generally: the problem is that the thing you are promoting includes
> very offensive stuff, women abuse, killing gays, slavery and a lot of
> other awful stuffIt's like admiring Stalin for stopping Hitler but
> refusing to see the awful stuff he did.
> I'd think it would be a major step forward if religions would take a
> close look on what they are selling and edit their holy books.
There are nut jobs in every group, ranging from the gay killing slave
owners (?) to the ones that just say stupid things and make their
fellows look bad. I think the majority of people in most groups are just
nice regular people though, trying to get a little head in life.
Personally I'd be happy if religious people simply stopped thinking they
were superior to atheists. I'm sure there is a counter claim to that
one, but I'd rather not get into it on a technical mailing list.
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* Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization
2009-02-03 01:40 Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Dru Devore <ddevore@duckhouse.us>
2009-02-03 07:43 ` Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization A B <gentosaker@gmail.com>
2009-02-03 16:40 ` Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization Stephen Cook <sclists@gmail.com>
@ 2009-02-03 16:45 ` Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com>
0 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread
From: Joshua D. Drake @ 2009-02-03 16:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stephen Cook <sclists@gmail.com>; +Cc: A B <gentosaker@gmail.com>; Dru Devore <ddevore@duckhouse.us>; pgsql-admin
On Tue, 2009-02-03 at 11:40 -0500, Stephen Cook wrote:
> Personally I'd be happy if religious people simply stopped thinking they
> were superior to atheists. I'm sure there is a counter claim to that
> one, but I'd rather not get into it on a technical mailing list.
And with that note, I believe we should all agree to go back to whatever
corner you prefer and stop this thread :).
Joshua D. Drake
--
PostgreSQL - XMPP: jdrake@jabber.postgresql.org
Consulting, Development, Support, Training
503-667-4564 - http://www.commandprompt.com/
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* Re: Totally inappropriate by-line for a major representative of this organization
@ 2009-02-03 17:00 Dru Devore <ddevore@duckhouse.us>
0 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread
From: Dru Devore @ 2009-02-03 17:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: jd@commandprompt.com; +Cc: A B <gentosaker@gmail.com>; pgsql-admin@postgresql.org, "Stephen Cook" <sclists@gmail.com>
sounds good to me.
---
>
> On Tue, 2009-02-03 at 11:40 -0500, Stephen Cook wrote:
>
> > Personally I'd be happy if religious people simply stopped thinking they
> > were superior to atheists. I'm sure there is a counter claim to that
> > one, but I'd rather not get into it on a technical mailing list.
>
> And with that note, I believe we should all agree to go back to whatever
> corner you prefer and stop this thread :).
>
> Joshua D. Drake
>
>
> --
> PostgreSQL - XMPP: jdrake@jabber.postgresql.org
> Consulting, Development, Support, Training
> 503-667-4564 - http://www.commandprompt.com/
> The PostgreSQL Company, serving since 1997
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