Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1tDSFg-000pwd-Au for pgsql-admin@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 19 Nov 2024 17:43:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1tDSFe-00FQyS-DK for pgsql-admin@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 19 Nov 2024 17:42:58 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1tDSFd-00FQy2-W4 for pgsql-admin@lists.postgresql.org; Tue, 19 Nov 2024 17:42:58 +0000 Received: from mailout.easymail.ca ([64.68.200.34]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1tDSFb-002mrO-Qu for pgsql-admin@lists.postgresql.org; Tue, 19 Nov 2024 17:42:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailout.easymail.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCA4F64D94; Tue, 19 Nov 2024 17:42:53 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elevated-dev.com; s=easymail; t=1732038173; bh=63gKQVyYXVHI45YqwOlg4lkxm2cUN1f28rXksPJWqko=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To:From; b=UYdZwEy+dMtU3cFfu7zAWuC8Lj6JNSdvgsQWcIu90naqNbW2h9oRfyswzIMwLEUEi vHI+sZAT88x6HGycg3wYD+fudfDbeb6PUouKPo9Rm/Jk076QlWhlIMFpXSxr1XUE2J zv6tXziugHuk51FYkC+2gscLXCbVjA9Sq3HRpYG/Nv2HSXyjX3ROGgf763KULUEwUj 98XCBF9zePsSEk4XpFStakTHtRwZ2Xdlkza4XlfF3EH3EfcHy1NxZNlXhwlbdW0Q76 VE3PcuR2cpE3lEpb2Xqe/74tdtPHJKd2GCi014LKAuoeOUFyOhUO1SM5DdqpypzM/i jCgiPOGQQVGdw== X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at emo07-pco.easydns.vpn Received: from mailout.easymail.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (emo07-pco.easydns.vpn [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kdXrMWISj3G1; Tue, 19 Nov 2024 17:42:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [165.140.184.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailout.easymail.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 499B564D7C; Tue, 19 Nov 2024 17:42:53 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elevated-dev.com; s=easymail; t=1732038173; bh=63gKQVyYXVHI45YqwOlg4lkxm2cUN1f28rXksPJWqko=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To:From; b=UYdZwEy+dMtU3cFfu7zAWuC8Lj6JNSdvgsQWcIu90naqNbW2h9oRfyswzIMwLEUEi vHI+sZAT88x6HGycg3wYD+fudfDbeb6PUouKPo9Rm/Jk076QlWhlIMFpXSxr1XUE2J zv6tXziugHuk51FYkC+2gscLXCbVjA9Sq3HRpYG/Nv2HSXyjX3ROGgf763KULUEwUj 98XCBF9zePsSEk4XpFStakTHtRwZ2Xdlkza4XlfF3EH3EfcHy1NxZNlXhwlbdW0Q76 VE3PcuR2cpE3lEpb2Xqe/74tdtPHJKd2GCi014LKAuoeOUFyOhUO1SM5DdqpypzM/i jCgiPOGQQVGdw== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.200.121\)) Subject: Re: Guidance Needed for PostgreSQL Upgrade from 12 to 15 From: Scott Ribe In-Reply-To: <355729f6-74a0-1b5c-a065-bd919507a490@vianet.ca> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2024 10:42:42 -0700 Cc: pgsql-admin@lists.postgresql.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <39901423-2003-493F-8A5C-12D1B1062F00@elevated-dev.com> References: <0b8c1b80-93f5-40a7-b67b-19e58207c12c@cloud.gatewaynet.com> <9724B260-8B0E-4B03-A66A-784F792459C9@elevated-dev.com> <355729f6-74a0-1b5c-a065-bd919507a490@vianet.ca> To: Kris Deugau X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.200.121) List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk > On Nov 19, 2024, at 10:32=E2=80=AFAM, Kris Deugau = wrote: >=20 > as otherwise the old PG won't start properly, due to the changes made = by pg_upgrade. Not true, pg_upgrade leaves it in a state where either can be started. = By taking the snapshot after, if you roll back to it, you can attempt = changes on either the old or new. (Taking care to take additional = snapshots as needed, to preserve the ability to roll back to this = state.)