Received: from maia.hub.org (unknown [200.46.204.183]) by mail.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65E80633E02 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 07:55:33 -0300 (ADT) Received: from mail.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.86]) by maia.hub.org (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21415-07 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:55:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by mail.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92FAE63358B for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 07:55:22 -0300 (ADT) Received: from [75.194.12.28] (28.sub-75-194-12.myvzw.com [75.194.12.28]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MFfu5-1NkXeI2qlJ-00EcAE; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 12:55:17 +0200 Message-ID: <4BB32A0F.3000200@2ndquadrant.com> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 06:55:11 -0400 From: Greg Smith User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100317) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rodger@diaspora.gen.nz CC: pgsql-admin@postgresql.org Subject: Re: Virtualization vs. sharing a server References: <4BB0DEBF.5040401@2ndquadrant.com> <64633.203.144.40.146.1269983303.squirrel@israel.diaspora.gen.nz> In-Reply-To: <64633.203.144.40.146.1269983303.squirrel@israel.diaspora.gen.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+rPNYl2hZNWOWkL3ZnlvTDazLzZmRRpp9ULOu HEokN8o/lIfU85ZlYH07nwrQkAPGi4ZdbGz4j1orWcVE8qel5m yxuaj59KEUausPMWL1QYnuOUIc6Gm9t X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.185 tagged_above=-10 required=5 tests=BAYES_40=-0.185 X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 201003/282 X-Sequence-Number: 34081 Rodger Donaldson wrote: > On Tue, March 30, 2010 06:09, Greg Smith wrote: > >> You answered your own question here. Ramiro is looking for suggestions >> for how to scale up to >500 connections at once, and it's not that >> likely virtualization can fill any useful role in that context. >> > > That rather depends on your virtualisation layer. We haven't run large PG > databases on our zLinux/zVM machines, but we have Oracle DBs running > comparable connection numbers without any issues. > Connection scaling in Oracle doesn't have the same characteristics as PostgreSQL, so you can't extrapolate from that. My point was that the connection target here would be aggressive and difficult to achieve even without virtualization involved. The virtualization sofware used will impact the exact percentage of overhead involved, but you'd be hard pressed to get this to work as hoped even if that number were 0--so anything >0, even small, is increasing the odds of failure. -- Greg Smith 2ndQuadrant US Baltimore, MD PostgreSQL Training, Services and Support greg@2ndQuadrant.com www.2ndQuadrant.us