Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lf1FS-0001aT-AY for pgsql-admin@arkaria.postgresql.org; Fri, 07 May 2021 14:14:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lf1FR-0008Tx-5E for pgsql-admin@arkaria.postgresql.org; Fri, 07 May 2021 14:14:33 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lf1FQ-0008Tn-Ob for pgsql-admin@lists.postgresql.org; Fri, 07 May 2021 14:14:32 +0000 Received: from mail-ot1-x331.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::331]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lf1FI-00071f-76 for pgsql-admin@lists.postgresql.org; Fri, 07 May 2021 14:14:29 +0000 Received: by mail-ot1-x331.google.com with SMTP id 65-20020a9d03470000b02902808b4aec6dso8025181otv.6 for ; Fri, 07 May 2021 07:14:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=E49maHbPsfvmy9xdIjaEebiSU8QH1qmBfEWTXwI+1zg=; b=lqSRU+6y3YpTZD50Du3h9EfD903XVfCQhF8WVxfHwa3GSMEmCb2cHEsr5wksgv0Joz dN40rnHmqHK615xXF55pUAx9rqCPy0bWHfneirk0lNSeWfvkL3cZ9mKHU7NTAYnBYZ2E JfoeaFw/pH+ZL6R7xMl5/abqf8mqUEid2pS9uiLMptVFACrk7OtKRzY5oJbXisxiMykf thrP4UsLWZlJrk+8kCLvgs/KGCcAJq1X+dNi7kcQ05P6yLrJuaDQpd83yhe2+FeRntsn P5nnRVKKJSeyBOeo/mfAjDsyjnoi6Njew0lpNctluq6XulNnX8EnDUCXvA7wTA3bFi6r rUvw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=E49maHbPsfvmy9xdIjaEebiSU8QH1qmBfEWTXwI+1zg=; b=oBecZCysX4lwZ5VAhzv7pTMbNviYN2JyDllW82+VENIi53Saaqsq0atp1OGPcrcFls YsWPoLVo/1SOx7OKC0nSD5N2zqaWATb1MZJNZxdXhuXfe+2oa1YtxQ14B0j9aoFUDb95 HHVaY/uUZyNO/wNZteZtl93RVaqxjiOWuRU4xK05Em9Dq6OAP04fZLHVRbYLaxsQ/iWa 5LDhTJmWwfqYy67gyel4fV8SF3Bv7RirPNfHpS/5+6yYCJ6dIav1k80cKb+YpSMUFRXD JmhnGyyrtXERspBXoeS+Wxe7zWbapAwArq0uUanBvN/pydfAn/feh/yAz1EqFvyYQ76g hYjg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532YCZ9U+5jdkno1BxTdmh2CPkCwkIwkAw3FgDilFukJasCZ3Dc1 MhD5lrAjsEjL0QngbaAy2bSrzK1kPlY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyq9HYuhHLmkqxHRSvKnBBNv9zsuMrYATd2+4x7ZJ/xlP3NXRTc6kkQcb078nqFKUed+g50nQ== X-Received: by 2002:a9d:65c4:: with SMTP id z4mr8597749oth.14.1620396863112; Fri, 07 May 2021 07:14:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.88.10] (ip174-67-141-204.no.no.cox.net. [174.67.141.204]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id a14sm1215777otl.52.2021.05.07.07.14.21 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 07 May 2021 07:14:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Query on User account password change details To: pgsql-admin@lists.postgresql.org References: <90B6B3A1-BB95-4D69-99EF-D86C0A859431@jakobs.com> <4e87a433-531f-d108-4ef6-0c54ba44f587@gmail.com> <1d0196b7-01e2-e979-e023-d684331db8ea@gmail.com> <20210507141005.GB10431@momjian.us> From: Ron Message-ID: <8ed70776-3c35-d688-4820-4c73cbdb767a@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 May 2021 09:14:21 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20210507141005.GB10431@momjian.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk On 5/7/21 9:10 AM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 08:55:15AM -0500, Ron wrote: >> On 5/7/21 7:30 AM, Scott Ribe wrote: >>>> On May 6, 2021, at 11:40 PM, Ron wrote: >>>> >>>> Comments like this are indicative of someone who's never been through an external audit. >>> While maybe true, the point stands that even the original source of the requirement has admitted it's a bad idea, and standards bodies are dropping it. So, unlike many other things we might consider pointless, with this one, you have the kind of defense that might work in an audit. >> The problem is that Postgresql allows Really Short Passwords without >> uttering a peep, and that's not defensible to an auditor. >> >> psql (12.5 (Ubuntu 12.5-1.pgdg18.04+1)) >> Type "help" for help. >> >> postgres=# create role foo password 'a'; >> CREATE ROLE >> postgres=# > Have you considered passwordcheck? > > https://www.postgresql.org/docs/13/passwordcheck.html This might satisfy my own audit requirements! -- Angular momentum makes the world go 'round.