Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1vUlid-007LOC-0Z for pgsql-admin@arkaria.postgresql.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2025 13:00:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1vUlic-00CucJ-0M for pgsql-admin@arkaria.postgresql.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2025 13:00:58 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1vUlib-00CucB-2T for pgsql-admin@lists.postgresql.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2025 13:00:58 +0000 Received: from mail-oa1-x31.google.com ([2001:4860:4864:20::31]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1vUlia-000cf6-34 for pgsql-admin@lists.postgresql.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2025 13:00:57 +0000 Received: by mail-oa1-x31.google.com with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-3ec4d494383so1859427fac.3 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2025 05:00:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1765717256; x=1766322056; darn=lists.postgresql.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=UBRlp8ASRn+mXfNAj5WJK/KtMbfXuAMDepbC+VD8ovs=; b=PsUQUb423BA/WBxjTc69NbHQtksSc+rkiy/lH9LbWayVorVs8BaE/3bFOQRL4VFcpv ZS1knldNUCg4oRBVWW0BQiqk9ZQhF8aVj67wjJPfj5XMsUF6c34VPY+Zgni3V2UAAOuw om6i4Fpc2AAo7deHZj3l1rylcj1JLzEWkdJ5bdnJNGpbAtsGN3umqUE5fXzLs58/+zGk C5gO3sUde5PhdTuvrLxJ7n6jQHQeUZ/NhCLjEqNLLxa382gflGoKiTq9cE6UTvorM0WI NlqpvpgOxked71qQ7RBC/zE9+uQGhB1NJ+Ccd1SaRyHEHdb36hxjcHNhY5oprVpo8LQ2 vlnQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1765717256; x=1766322056; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:x-gm-gg:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=UBRlp8ASRn+mXfNAj5WJK/KtMbfXuAMDepbC+VD8ovs=; b=SiEsWTXH30UPAEDjDvrtRIIkjkwGM6Ef0aq9saCf/Jv2JxTAxwU8JdZdVs76cWexqK 3+Lc275TUAj9MIqx39NjgxOaqUe59M4uegaXnNuo9chJ8AWLiZ0IKVAXELssVr+G7Af3 KhgvH5Z7xnIVfbJrHvzLqXAXUVUF79zA511cb8oLrGbbPjhQpZKcMPh+mVuO2IeFqpRQ 9VPjCv7aEb/TM18oG6o2oNZE0oQ42PRlOfCTE+NtMVA6JgszHIoajy6NShxIgSIwP+MR owZiLIaRCe4Yz6t1pct5t59Sc7wiTqOzVjdTpol3FkEDtxNK0531qI5ouxyNnLYBP52C XVZw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yxvd/dqpgQgbOKjuVzeGz5aCam9Zq1JeaRnv1fQfDnYKxSlZwiQ nxcdaICoA3thGLYmElsSu6mcz7TR5HcPpDWjDZ6/sEshdo2ZwC+xQByj7F3jFWcozXYr1VQXXNB xXow8sNqgbl2xeV6TApP+FeWyJQARK6mXvK4g X-Gm-Gg: AY/fxX57GuVGbYWlO4NmBXBhEhudJ/RyknMRtrIotxcm/YBy6xgGryG1eJhlvRKmhfl 6+5nCMwxPcNnNjbFGJMqHsbUJro252WulXC9LmWXm5A6p1MFSb1YzC3zYE8n4TvOlQpzz5+/Y9a ezIRdUsuHL6SnX45j9D4QNInX+adXOGIabRyiSYxu5ekJ/5YnWH848+BA57zGkYi2XqWWHjw4VZ Zlqa0fWSOSVBWbqQUMTX1zS7VxkVzFpRAslHRgCyV71Cx9aZhLTPaP27uQLSn4SR4/5DA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGHghxarTbOJkq3N53V5mu4TzL0SXlHr3SUSb9AvHpash4AdQXVUr7Cr0ZUR49RPBeb5mXqvidUjkUK/omQdCY= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6820:178e:b0:659:9a49:8f23 with SMTP id 006d021491bc7-65b451ff7demr3199599eaf.52.1765717255712; Sun, 14 Dec 2025 05:00:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:ac9:5984:0:b0:605:5d57:98ee with HTTP; Sun, 14 Dec 2025 05:00:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <6678e492-b544-4ad3-bd79-2dd3ff3cefaa@netcologne.de> References: <2046739.1758254802@sss.pgh.pa.us> <471a0d22-f769-450d-a084-74ece10915d5@netcologne.de> <6678e492-b544-4ad3-bd79-2dd3ff3cefaa@netcologne.de> From: "David G. Johnston" Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2025 06:00:54 -0700 X-Gm-Features: AQt7F2qZyPZxivDoa6mJzZz_LziYprfC4iQXlzYUQ2u4mRNJoUUBe6IJSRqjbOg Message-ID: Subject: Re: pgping? To: Gunnar Cc: "pgsql-admin@lists.postgresql.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ccf41d0645e9151c" List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk --000000000000ccf41d0645e9151c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Saturday, December 13, 2025, Gunnar wrote: > > as the aspiration, or maybe even commitment to that feature. > > The amount of additional effort here, to meet such a theoretical commitment, is so small that this interpretation seems extremely unlikely. It was a deliberate choice that =E2=80=9Cis cluster running=E2=80=9D not re= quire any particular element in that cluster to exist. David J. --000000000000ccf41d0645e9151c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Saturday, December 13, 2025, Gunnar <tongji@netcologne.de> wrote:
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as the aspiration, or maybe even commitment to that feature.

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The amount of additional effort here, to meet such a th= eoretical commitment, is so small that this interpretation seems extremely = unlikely.=C2=A0 It was a deliberate choice that =E2=80=9Cis cluster running= =E2=80=9D not require any particular element in that cluster to exist.

David J.

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