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* RDS restore failed due to WAL log and disk space-- any tidy fixes?
@ 2024-11-17 00:33 Wells Oliver <[email protected]>
2024-11-17 15:41 ` Re: RDS restore failed due to WAL log and disk space-- any tidy fixes? Laurenz Albe <[email protected]>
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From: Wells Oliver @ 2024-11-17 00:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-admin
I provisioned an RDS instance with 2500GB space and began the restore of a
database I know to be about 1750 GB using 16 jobs.
Unfortunately, it died very near the end when it ran out of disk space due
to WAL log usage. Lots of:
2024-11-17 00:07:09 UTC::@:[19861]:PANIC: could not write to file
"pg_wal/xlogtemp.19861": No space left on device
And then kaboom.
I'm wondering what my course of action should be. Can I disable/reduce WAL
during a restore? wal_level is set to replica, can this temporarily be set
to minimal? Should I just eat the extra costs to add headroom for the WAL?
Would using fewer jobs during a restore reduce the amount of WAL created?
I appreciate it.
--
Wells Oliver
[email protected] <[email protected]>
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* Re: RDS restore failed due to WAL log and disk space-- any tidy fixes?
2024-11-17 00:33 RDS restore failed due to WAL log and disk space-- any tidy fixes? Wells Oliver <[email protected]>
@ 2024-11-17 15:41 ` Laurenz Albe <[email protected]>
2024-11-17 17:12 ` Re: RDS restore failed due to WAL log and disk space-- any tidy fixes? Wells Oliver <[email protected]>
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From: Laurenz Albe @ 2024-11-17 15:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Wells Oliver <[email protected]>; pgsql-admin
On Sat, 2024-11-16 at 16:33 -0800, Wells Oliver wrote:
> I provisioned an RDS instance with 2500GB space and began the restore of a database I know to be about 1750 GB using 16 jobs.
>
> Unfortunately, it died very near the end when it ran out of disk space due to WAL log usage. Lots of:
>
> 2024-11-17 00:07:09 UTC::@:[19861]:PANIC: could not write to file "pg_wal/xlogtemp.19861": No space left on device
>
>
> And then kaboom.
>
> I'm wondering what my course of action should be. Can I disable/reduce WAL during a restore?
> wal_level is set to replica, can this temporarily be set to minimal? Should I just eat the extra
> costs to add headroom for the WAL? Would using fewer jobs during a restore reduce the amount of WAL
> created?
If you are using minimal WAL logging and you restore the dump in a single transaction, you
should see way less WAL generated, because data inserted into the table in the same transaction
as the CREATE TABLE statement need not be WAL logged.
But you might more easily solve the problem by speeding up or disabling the WAL archiver,
so that PostgreSQL removes old WAL after the next checkpoint.
Yours,
Laurenz Albe
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* Re: RDS restore failed due to WAL log and disk space-- any tidy fixes?
2024-11-17 00:33 RDS restore failed due to WAL log and disk space-- any tidy fixes? Wells Oliver <[email protected]>
2024-11-17 15:41 ` Re: RDS restore failed due to WAL log and disk space-- any tidy fixes? Laurenz Albe <[email protected]>
@ 2024-11-17 17:12 ` Wells Oliver <[email protected]>
2024-11-17 17:21 ` Re: RDS restore failed due to WAL log and disk space-- any tidy fixes? Ron Johnson <[email protected]>
2024-11-17 18:18 ` Re: RDS restore failed due to WAL log and disk space-- any tidy fixes? Laurenz Albe <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Wells Oliver @ 2024-11-17 17:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Laurenz Albe <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-admin
Interesting. I am migrating a pg_dump archive to a new server, in a single
go. Does it make sense to disable (or speed up?) WAL archiving during the
restore, then reenable it after the restore so a future replica could work?
What would be the steps here? Would disabling or "speeding up" be faster?
max_slot_wal_keep_size is -1 at the moment so I think that's why it kept a
ton of WAL and ran out of space.
On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 7:41 AM Laurenz Albe <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Sat, 2024-11-16 at 16:33 -0800, Wells Oliver wrote:
> > I provisioned an RDS instance with 2500GB space and began the restore of
> a database I know to be about 1750 GB using 16 jobs.
> >
> > Unfortunately, it died very near the end when it ran out of disk space
> due to WAL log usage. Lots of:
> >
> > 2024-11-17 00:07:09 UTC::@:[19861]:PANIC: could not write to file
> "pg_wal/xlogtemp.19861": No space left on device
> >
> >
> > And then kaboom.
> >
> > I'm wondering what my course of action should be. Can I disable/reduce
> WAL during a restore?
> > wal_level is set to replica, can this temporarily be set to minimal?
> Should I just eat the extra
> > costs to add headroom for the WAL? Would using fewer jobs during a
> restore reduce the amount of WAL
> > created?
>
> If you are using minimal WAL logging and you restore the dump in a single
> transaction, you
> should see way less WAL generated, because data inserted into the table in
> the same transaction
> as the CREATE TABLE statement need not be WAL logged.
>
> But you might more easily solve the problem by speeding up or disabling
> the WAL archiver,
> so that PostgreSQL removes old WAL after the next checkpoint.
>
> Yours,
> Laurenz Albe
>
--
Wells Oliver
[email protected] <[email protected]>
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* Re: RDS restore failed due to WAL log and disk space-- any tidy fixes?
2024-11-17 00:33 RDS restore failed due to WAL log and disk space-- any tidy fixes? Wells Oliver <[email protected]>
2024-11-17 15:41 ` Re: RDS restore failed due to WAL log and disk space-- any tidy fixes? Laurenz Albe <[email protected]>
2024-11-17 17:12 ` Re: RDS restore failed due to WAL log and disk space-- any tidy fixes? Wells Oliver <[email protected]>
@ 2024-11-17 17:21 ` Ron Johnson <[email protected]>
2024-11-17 17:23 ` Re: RDS restore failed due to WAL log and disk space-- any tidy fixes? Wells Oliver <[email protected]>
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From: Ron Johnson @ 2024-11-17 17:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-admin
Doesn't RDS have its own replication?
Anyway, for pg_restore, I'd absolutely set archive_mode=off
and wal_level=minimal, then set them to their production values when it's
finished.
On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 12:12 PM Wells Oliver <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Interesting. I am migrating a pg_dump archive to a new server, in a single
> go. Does it make sense to disable (or speed up?) WAL archiving during the
> restore, then reenable it after the restore so a future replica could work?
> What would be the steps here? Would disabling or "speeding up" be faster?
>
> max_slot_wal_keep_size is -1 at the moment so I think that's why it kept a
> ton of WAL and ran out of space.
>
> On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 7:41 AM Laurenz Albe <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 2024-11-16 at 16:33 -0800, Wells Oliver wrote:
>> > I provisioned an RDS instance with 2500GB space and began the restore
>> of a database I know to be about 1750 GB using 16 jobs.
>> >
>> > Unfortunately, it died very near the end when it ran out of disk space
>> due to WAL log usage. Lots of:
>> >
>> > 2024-11-17 00:07:09 UTC::@:[19861]:PANIC: could not write to file
>> "pg_wal/xlogtemp.19861": No space left on device
>> >
>> >
>> > And then kaboom.
>> >
>> > I'm wondering what my course of action should be. Can I disable/reduce
>> WAL during a restore?
>> > wal_level is set to replica, can this temporarily be set to minimal?
>> Should I just eat the extra
>> > costs to add headroom for the WAL? Would using fewer jobs during a
>> restore reduce the amount of WAL
>> > created?
>>
>> If you are using minimal WAL logging and you restore the dump in a single
>> transaction, you
>> should see way less WAL generated, because data inserted into the table
>> in the same transaction
>> as the CREATE TABLE statement need not be WAL logged.
>>
>> But you might more easily solve the problem by speeding up or disabling
>> the WAL archiver,
>> so that PostgreSQL removes old WAL after the next checkpoint.
>>
>> Yours,
>> Laurenz Albe
>>
>
>
> --
> Wells Oliver
> [email protected] <[email protected]>
>
--
Death to <Redacted>, and butter sauce.
Don't boil me, I'm still alive.
<Redacted> lobster!
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* Re: RDS restore failed due to WAL log and disk space-- any tidy fixes?
2024-11-17 00:33 RDS restore failed due to WAL log and disk space-- any tidy fixes? Wells Oliver <[email protected]>
2024-11-17 15:41 ` Re: RDS restore failed due to WAL log and disk space-- any tidy fixes? Laurenz Albe <[email protected]>
2024-11-17 17:12 ` Re: RDS restore failed due to WAL log and disk space-- any tidy fixes? Wells Oliver <[email protected]>
2024-11-17 17:21 ` Re: RDS restore failed due to WAL log and disk space-- any tidy fixes? Ron Johnson <[email protected]>
@ 2024-11-17 17:23 ` Wells Oliver <[email protected]>
2024-11-17 17:31 ` Re: RDS restore failed due to WAL log and disk space-- any tidy fixes? Wells Oliver <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Wells Oliver @ 2024-11-17 17:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ron Johnson <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-admin
It does. I think it uses WAL behind the scenes. In RDS unfortunately cannot
set wal_level, but you can set archive_mode.
On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 9:21 AM Ron Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
> Doesn't RDS have its own replication?
>
> Anyway, for pg_restore, I'd absolutely set archive_mode=off
> and wal_level=minimal, then set them to their production values when it's
> finished.
>
> On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 12:12 PM Wells Oliver <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Interesting. I am migrating a pg_dump archive to a new server, in a
>> single go. Does it make sense to disable (or speed up?) WAL archiving
>> during the restore, then reenable it after the restore so a future replica
>> could work? What would be the steps here? Would disabling or "speeding up"
>> be faster?
>>
>> max_slot_wal_keep_size is -1 at the moment so I think that's why it kept
>> a ton of WAL and ran out of space.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 7:41 AM Laurenz Albe <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 2024-11-16 at 16:33 -0800, Wells Oliver wrote:
>>> > I provisioned an RDS instance with 2500GB space and began the restore
>>> of a database I know to be about 1750 GB using 16 jobs.
>>> >
>>> > Unfortunately, it died very near the end when it ran out of disk space
>>> due to WAL log usage. Lots of:
>>> >
>>> > 2024-11-17 00:07:09 UTC::@:[19861]:PANIC: could not write to file
>>> "pg_wal/xlogtemp.19861": No space left on device
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > And then kaboom.
>>> >
>>> > I'm wondering what my course of action should be. Can I disable/reduce
>>> WAL during a restore?
>>> > wal_level is set to replica, can this temporarily be set to minimal?
>>> Should I just eat the extra
>>> > costs to add headroom for the WAL? Would using fewer jobs during a
>>> restore reduce the amount of WAL
>>> > created?
>>>
>>> If you are using minimal WAL logging and you restore the dump in a
>>> single transaction, you
>>> should see way less WAL generated, because data inserted into the table
>>> in the same transaction
>>> as the CREATE TABLE statement need not be WAL logged.
>>>
>>> But you might more easily solve the problem by speeding up or disabling
>>> the WAL archiver,
>>> so that PostgreSQL removes old WAL after the next checkpoint.
>>>
>>> Yours,
>>> Laurenz Albe
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Wells Oliver
>> [email protected] <[email protected]>
>>
>
>
> --
> Death to <Redacted>, and butter sauce.
> Don't boil me, I'm still alive.
> <Redacted> lobster!
>
--
Wells Oliver
[email protected] <[email protected]>
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* Re: RDS restore failed due to WAL log and disk space-- any tidy fixes?
2024-11-17 00:33 RDS restore failed due to WAL log and disk space-- any tidy fixes? Wells Oliver <[email protected]>
2024-11-17 15:41 ` Re: RDS restore failed due to WAL log and disk space-- any tidy fixes? Laurenz Albe <[email protected]>
2024-11-17 17:12 ` Re: RDS restore failed due to WAL log and disk space-- any tidy fixes? Wells Oliver <[email protected]>
2024-11-17 17:21 ` Re: RDS restore failed due to WAL log and disk space-- any tidy fixes? Ron Johnson <[email protected]>
2024-11-17 17:23 ` Re: RDS restore failed due to WAL log and disk space-- any tidy fixes? Wells Oliver <[email protected]>
@ 2024-11-17 17:31 ` Wells Oliver <[email protected]>
2024-11-17 17:34 ` Re: RDS restore failed due to WAL log and disk space-- any tidy fixes? Wells Oliver <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Wells Oliver @ 2024-11-17 17:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ron Johnson <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-admin
Actually, in RDS it seems you cannot set archive_mode either.
On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 9:23 AM Wells Oliver <[email protected]> wrote:
> It does. I think it uses WAL behind the scenes. In RDS unfortunately
> cannot set wal_level, but you can set archive_mode.
>
> On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 9:21 AM Ron Johnson <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Doesn't RDS have its own replication?
>>
>> Anyway, for pg_restore, I'd absolutely set archive_mode=off
>> and wal_level=minimal, then set them to their production values when it's
>> finished.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 12:12 PM Wells Oliver <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting. I am migrating a pg_dump archive to a new server, in a
>>> single go. Does it make sense to disable (or speed up?) WAL archiving
>>> during the restore, then reenable it after the restore so a future replica
>>> could work? What would be the steps here? Would disabling or "speeding up"
>>> be faster?
>>>
>>> max_slot_wal_keep_size is -1 at the moment so I think that's why it kept
>>> a ton of WAL and ran out of space.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 7:41 AM Laurenz Albe <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 2024-11-16 at 16:33 -0800, Wells Oliver wrote:
>>>> > I provisioned an RDS instance with 2500GB space and began the restore
>>>> of a database I know to be about 1750 GB using 16 jobs.
>>>> >
>>>> > Unfortunately, it died very near the end when it ran out of disk
>>>> space due to WAL log usage. Lots of:
>>>> >
>>>> > 2024-11-17 00:07:09 UTC::@:[19861]:PANIC: could not write to file
>>>> "pg_wal/xlogtemp.19861": No space left on device
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > And then kaboom.
>>>> >
>>>> > I'm wondering what my course of action should be. Can I
>>>> disable/reduce WAL during a restore?
>>>> > wal_level is set to replica, can this temporarily be set to minimal?
>>>> Should I just eat the extra
>>>> > costs to add headroom for the WAL? Would using fewer jobs during a
>>>> restore reduce the amount of WAL
>>>> > created?
>>>>
>>>> If you are using minimal WAL logging and you restore the dump in a
>>>> single transaction, you
>>>> should see way less WAL generated, because data inserted into the table
>>>> in the same transaction
>>>> as the CREATE TABLE statement need not be WAL logged.
>>>>
>>>> But you might more easily solve the problem by speeding up or disabling
>>>> the WAL archiver,
>>>> so that PostgreSQL removes old WAL after the next checkpoint.
>>>>
>>>> Yours,
>>>> Laurenz Albe
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Wells Oliver
>>> [email protected] <[email protected]>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Death to <Redacted>, and butter sauce.
>> Don't boil me, I'm still alive.
>> <Redacted> lobster!
>>
>
>
> --
> Wells Oliver
> [email protected] <[email protected]>
>
--
Wells Oliver
[email protected] <[email protected]>
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* Re: RDS restore failed due to WAL log and disk space-- any tidy fixes?
2024-11-17 00:33 RDS restore failed due to WAL log and disk space-- any tidy fixes? Wells Oliver <[email protected]>
2024-11-17 15:41 ` Re: RDS restore failed due to WAL log and disk space-- any tidy fixes? Laurenz Albe <[email protected]>
2024-11-17 17:12 ` Re: RDS restore failed due to WAL log and disk space-- any tidy fixes? Wells Oliver <[email protected]>
2024-11-17 17:21 ` Re: RDS restore failed due to WAL log and disk space-- any tidy fixes? Ron Johnson <[email protected]>
2024-11-17 17:23 ` Re: RDS restore failed due to WAL log and disk space-- any tidy fixes? Wells Oliver <[email protected]>
2024-11-17 17:31 ` Re: RDS restore failed due to WAL log and disk space-- any tidy fixes? Wells Oliver <[email protected]>
@ 2024-11-17 17:34 ` Wells Oliver <[email protected]>
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From: Wells Oliver @ 2024-11-17 17:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ron Johnson <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-admin
Would setting max_slot_wal_keep_size to something like 1GB ensure that WAL
logs don't cause runaway disk use during restore? It's currently -1...
On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 9:31 AM Wells Oliver <[email protected]> wrote:
> Actually, in RDS it seems you cannot set archive_mode either.
>
> On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 9:23 AM Wells Oliver <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> It does. I think it uses WAL behind the scenes. In RDS unfortunately
>> cannot set wal_level, but you can set archive_mode.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 9:21 AM Ron Johnson <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Doesn't RDS have its own replication?
>>>
>>> Anyway, for pg_restore, I'd absolutely set archive_mode=off
>>> and wal_level=minimal, then set them to their production values when it's
>>> finished.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 12:12 PM Wells Oliver <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Interesting. I am migrating a pg_dump archive to a new server, in a
>>>> single go. Does it make sense to disable (or speed up?) WAL archiving
>>>> during the restore, then reenable it after the restore so a future replica
>>>> could work? What would be the steps here? Would disabling or "speeding up"
>>>> be faster?
>>>>
>>>> max_slot_wal_keep_size is -1 at the moment so I think that's why it
>>>> kept a ton of WAL and ran out of space.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 7:41 AM Laurenz Albe <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 2024-11-16 at 16:33 -0800, Wells Oliver wrote:
>>>>> > I provisioned an RDS instance with 2500GB space and began the
>>>>> restore of a database I know to be about 1750 GB using 16 jobs.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Unfortunately, it died very near the end when it ran out of disk
>>>>> space due to WAL log usage. Lots of:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 2024-11-17 00:07:09 UTC::@:[19861]:PANIC: could not write to file
>>>>> "pg_wal/xlogtemp.19861": No space left on device
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > And then kaboom.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I'm wondering what my course of action should be. Can I
>>>>> disable/reduce WAL during a restore?
>>>>> > wal_level is set to replica, can this temporarily be set to minimal?
>>>>> Should I just eat the extra
>>>>> > costs to add headroom for the WAL? Would using fewer jobs during a
>>>>> restore reduce the amount of WAL
>>>>> > created?
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are using minimal WAL logging and you restore the dump in a
>>>>> single transaction, you
>>>>> should see way less WAL generated, because data inserted into the
>>>>> table in the same transaction
>>>>> as the CREATE TABLE statement need not be WAL logged.
>>>>>
>>>>> But you might more easily solve the problem by speeding up or
>>>>> disabling the WAL archiver,
>>>>> so that PostgreSQL removes old WAL after the next checkpoint.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yours,
>>>>> Laurenz Albe
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Wells Oliver
>>>> [email protected] <[email protected]>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Death to <Redacted>, and butter sauce.
>>> Don't boil me, I'm still alive.
>>> <Redacted> lobster!
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Wells Oliver
>> [email protected] <[email protected]>
>>
>
>
> --
> Wells Oliver
> [email protected] <[email protected]>
>
--
Wells Oliver
[email protected] <[email protected]>
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* Re: RDS restore failed due to WAL log and disk space-- any tidy fixes?
2024-11-17 00:33 RDS restore failed due to WAL log and disk space-- any tidy fixes? Wells Oliver <[email protected]>
2024-11-17 15:41 ` Re: RDS restore failed due to WAL log and disk space-- any tidy fixes? Laurenz Albe <[email protected]>
2024-11-17 17:12 ` Re: RDS restore failed due to WAL log and disk space-- any tidy fixes? Wells Oliver <[email protected]>
@ 2024-11-17 18:18 ` Laurenz Albe <[email protected]>
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From: Laurenz Albe @ 2024-11-17 18:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Wells Oliver <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-admin
On Sun, 2024-11-17 at 09:12 -0800, Wells Oliver wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 7:41 AM Laurenz Albe <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Sat, 2024-11-16 at 16:33 -0800, Wells Oliver wrote:
> > > I provisioned an RDS instance with 2500GB space and began the restore of a database I know to be about 1750 GB using 16 jobs.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, it died very near the end when it ran out of disk space due to WAL log usage. Lots of:
> > >
> > > 2024-11-17 00:07:09 UTC::@:[19861]:PANIC: could not write to file "pg_wal/xlogtemp.19861": No space left on device
> > >
> > >
> > > And then kaboom.
> > >
> > > I'm wondering what my course of action should be. Can I disable/reduce WAL during a restore?
> > > wal_level is set to replica, can this temporarily be set to minimal? Should I just eat the extra
> > > costs to add headroom for the WAL? Would using fewer jobs during a restore reduce the amount of WAL
> > > created?
> >
> > If you are using minimal WAL logging and you restore the dump in a single transaction, you
> > should see way less WAL generated, because data inserted into the table in the same transaction
> > as the CREATE TABLE statement need not be WAL logged.
> >
> > But you might more easily solve the problem by speeding up or disabling the WAL archiver,
> > so that PostgreSQL removes old WAL after the next checkpoint.
>
> Interesting. I am migrating a pg_dump archive to a new server, in a single go. Does it make sense
> to disable (or speed up?) WAL archiving during the restore, then reenable it after the restore so
> a future replica could work? What would be the steps here? Would disabling or "speeding up" be faster?
Ah, I ignored that you were using a hosted database. Then you probably cannot configure WAL archiving.
Yours,
Laurenz Albe
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