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From: Ron Johnson <ronljohnsonjr@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 30 May 2025 08:39:43 -0400
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Subject: Re: pg_dump verbose start and stop times?
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On Fri, May 30, 2025 at 1:45=E2=80=AFAM Laurenz Albe <laurenz.albe@cybertec=
.at>
wrote:

> On Thu, 2025-05-29 at 20:51 -0400, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > Honestly, who cares if start and stop times are in the dump file?
> stderr is where a DBA wants to see timings.
>
> I guess everybody has different preferences.
> These days, few DBAs stare at the screen, waiting for a report on the
> console
> when the job is done.
>

Unix has had stderr redirection for 35(?) years. Mailing lists are for
small reproducers, not for 2MB of output from "real" backups.

--=20
Death to <Redacted>, and butter sauce.
Don't boil me, I'm still alive.
<Redacted> lobster!

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Fri, May 30, 2025 at 1:45=E2=80=AFAM L=
aurenz Albe &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:laurenz.albe@cybertec.at">laurenz.albe@cy=
bertec.at</a>&gt; wrote:</div><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_contain=
er"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bor=
der-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Thu, 2025-05-29 at=
 20:51 -0400, Ron Johnson wrote:<br>
&gt; Honestly, who cares if start and stop times are in the dump file?=C2=
=A0 stderr is where a DBA wants to see timings.<br>
<br>
I guess everybody has different preferences.<br>
These days, few DBAs stare at the screen, waiting for a report on the conso=
le<br>
when the job is done.<br></blockquote><div>=C2=A0</div><div>Unix has had st=
derr redirection for 35(?) years. Mailing lists are for small reproducers, =
not for 2MB of output from &quot;real&quot; backups.</div></div><div><br></=
div><span class=3D"gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" c=
lass=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Death to &lt;Redacted&gt;, and bu=
tter sauce.<div>Don&#39;t boil me, I&#39;m still alive.<br><div><div>&lt;Re=
dacted&gt; lobster!</div></div></div></div></div></div>

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