Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.183]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E2086502AD for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:08:54 -0300 (ADT) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.86]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 72739-01-2 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:08:43 -0300 (ADT) Received: from news.hub.org (news.hub.org [200.46.204.72]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E2716502BB for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:59:39 -0300 (ADT) Received: from news.hub.org (news.hub.org [200.46.204.72]) by news.hub.org (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7R0xTCm064266 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:59:29 -0300 (ADT) (envelope-from news@news.hub.org) Received: (from news@localhost) by news.hub.org (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id m7R0kXfF049787 for pgsql-admin@postgresql.org; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:46:33 -0300 (ADT) (envelope-from news) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:46:33 -0400 From: Lew User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080724) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsgroups: pgsql.admin Subject: Re: Bug introduced in 8.0 References: <15aa6b3e0808260421r1b97b7dfoa53fd6f04ffbd49b@mail.gmail.com> <20080826131023.GJ10936@commandprompt.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Lines: 22 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.39 To: pgsql-admin@postgresql.org X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Archive-Number: 200808/201 X-Sequence-Number: 30046 Scott Marlowe wrote: > Also, start looking for another job where your bosses aren't idiots. For many, the choice of whether to work for an idiot or not is the choice to be employed or not. Mark Twain observed that at age nineteen, a young man finds his father to be the stupidest man in the world, but year by year thereafter finds that his father was smarter and smarter. What managers manage is risk. Naturally they can only manage perceived risk. The perception is that new software produces new risk, and from that perspective it is not idiotic but quite reasonable to resist change. They aren't idiots, they're just under-educated. One who knows better has a fiduciary responsibility to their employer to inform them of risks of which they wot not. In the case of "minor" version upgrades to PG, it is our duty to inform our bosses of the risk of not upgrading, so they can properly assess risks and manage them accordingly. -- Lew