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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:00:13 -0600
From: "Scott Marlowe" <scott.marlowe@gmail.com>
To: "Medi Montaseri" <montaseri@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: what happend to my database
Cc: "Tom Lane" <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>,
	"Steve Holdoway" <steve.holdoway@firetrust.com>,
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On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Medi Montaseri <montaseri@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Scott Marlowe <scott.marlowe@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Medi Montaseri <montaseri@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Yes, this type of presumptuous behavior to wipe out a production
>> > database
>> > based on a few checks is too risky...
>> >
>> > Behavior one:
>> > First out-of-box time, pg_ctl does not find any database files, it tells
>> > the
>> > user that "sorry I did not find any database to start....see initdb....
>> > Result: we have a semi-unhappy user/admin that says... what is initdb
>> >
>> > Behavior two:
>> > In order to enhance the out-of-box experience, we have wiped out a
>> > production environment, leading to many unhappy staff and customers....
>> >
>> > PG developers...I am not impressed at all...
>>
>> In defense of the pg developers, the behaviour you describe was
>> removed long ago BECAUSE of the issues you mention.
>>
>> The fact is that pg developers can't police every distro out there to
>> make sure they've removed such hinky behaviour from their startup
>> scripts.  So, the persons to NOT be impressed with at all are the
>> folks who maintain your OS's postgresql packaging, not the pg
>> developers.
>
>
> stand corrected
>
>>
>>
>> Course, you can always switch to MySQL, or Oracle, or MSSQL where
>> nothing like that ever happens.  uh huh.
>
> Never...I rather stay and fix it...than run away to a different country

Me too.  Sorry I really shoulda tossed a smily on the end there... :)
There's one now...