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Katz" , PostgreSQL Advocacy Subject: Re: PostgreSQL 12: Feature Highlights Message-ID: <20190516235250.GD20887@paquier.xyz> References: <20190516182628.kbkiajfnlooocgyg@momjian.us> <20190516190806.GA14121@alvherre.pgsql> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="IDYEmSnFhs3mNXr+" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Precedence: bulk --IDYEmSnFhs3mNXr+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 12:35:25PM -0700, Peter Geoghegan wrote: > On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 12:08 PM Alvaro Herrera wrote: >> I don't understand why you want to make things such black boxes. It is >> what it is, and some users (not all) will want to understand. People >> who have already tested pg11 and found it insufficient may give pg12 a > second look if we tell them we have fixed the deficiencies they found. >=20 > +1. The major features list should be accessible, but otherwise I > think that we should add more detail. +1. Another thing which may matter is that if some people do not see some improvements they were expecting then they can come back to pg13 and help around with having these added. Things are never going to be perfect for all users, and it makes little sense to make it sound like things are actually perfect. -- Michael --IDYEmSnFhs3mNXr+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCgAdFiEEG72nH6vTowiyblFKnvQgOdbyQH0FAlzd99IACgkQnvQgOdby QH0YKRAAqgDqdv5bIkYP08K/2FhD1zdpHT37AB70iNcxqQKa71Cw+Wshwia47mGQ Dp68ygVQKx9+c7m8jcy12TxAERvaqy5SMlz6B48lxoOgq1PjxaY9qRX2mD7Av++W S5ZVJH1hWFmodkZ9U887p81YriNK2FQa/eNjZNxgAbxw4J6sNxp1R0OXA2OGw7gT Jxm9/WyeSHaaOwG0OHtq8k390fjgV4hAfQYVSKF+GM8uiUw/flaYTNgx4MFal7iL zOglqMq10xUjNNB2MqAix6jL4rrH2tDVeCIzlIR1LSK4O8Yh+cLdNdLcdNdxWUTo K3WEf9fnvBeDQ7fDyfcY8wggbHBX+b2qRKs/qKGY2a+lpcV7os6uU3BKgAnibX8k sFOcvUanMGp2MfZlLq9Jg/vOU/OcfXhca3MG6OhXj125caAigoA17eGTDyNgW3yw kWL9NdZ/cutxFJ+mbxfF2Th4Idop9DB0vsuw9/r8Os4fuaGZVf2nT9NucuUbk8Ft ZAU9IH3RHxzD+crnSQ5QTFnPDsqXPgvjkAaj3QHRRROE301CpAXt4FDArUTH4KIY bA0py/QrcGxZS16SDwZ45OfYnotGFlQto8m7wTQJXwFWyO5La6qjpEF8SYTkOGrB 9FDBbMWdA/8X2SOY0+omJROmrUUhP1/w4M4C6kldFodWP5abq6I= =X97o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --IDYEmSnFhs3mNXr+--