Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 21:29:10 -0400
From: Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
To: Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>
Cc: Peter Geoghegan <pg@bowt.ie>, Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>,
	Amit Langote <Langote_Amit_f8@lab.ntt.co.jp>,
	David Rowley <david.rowley@2ndquadrant.com>,
	"Jonathan S. Katz" <jkatz@postgresql.org>,
	PostgreSQL Advocacy <pgsql-advocacy@lists.postgresql.org>
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL 12: Feature Highlights
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On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 08:52:50AM +0900, Michael Paquier wrote:
> On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 12:35:25PM -0700, Peter Geoghegan wrote:
> > On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 12:08 PM Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com> wrote:
> >> I don't understand why you want to make things such black boxes.  It is
> >> what it is, and some users (not all) will want to understand.  People
> >> who have already tested pg11 and found it insufficient may give pg12 a
> >  second look if we tell them we have fixed the deficiencies they found.
> > 
> > +1. The major features list should be accessible, but otherwise I
> > think that we should add more detail.
> 
> +1.  Another thing which may matter is that if some people do not see
> some improvements they were expecting then they can come back to pg13
> and help around with having these added.  Things are never going to be
> perfect for all users, and it makes little sense to make it sound like
> things are actually perfect.

What changes in the current description would cause people not to retest
to see if it is better?  If anything, the description is too broad.

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