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Katz" , "webmaster@postgresql.org" , "pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org" , Dmytro Hanzhelo , "David G. Johnston" To: "yashma77@outlook.com" References: <41dfe456-0146-4eae-9dd8-3424139197ae@postgresql.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3776.700.51.11.4) X-Classification-ID: 361c60cd-2a05-47a5-8bd1-3032e900c17a-1-1 List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk --Apple-Mail=_B15F8AC2-88B6-4706-A37E-D151AA855D31 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 If the requirement is to certified the momentary condition of the page, = rather than any kind of endorsement or statement on the part of the = project, it might be possible to have a third-party auditor document and = certify the state of the page as of a particular date. While it is clear = that InDevLab is not asking for an endorsement from the project, any = official from the project can be interpreted that way. > On Sep 18, 2025, at 18:48, David G. Johnston = wrote: >=20 > This seems to amount to a policy of proving a negative - that no other = competitive vendors exist thus permitting an alternative acquisition = process. Seems like whomever is asking for this evidence should be the = one saying that another vendor exists and therfore both you and them = need to abide by the normal process. >=20 > The absebce of any other companies on the website is not itself = evidence of non-existence. >=20 > If you want something a bit more conclusive I=E2=80=99d ask on the = -general mailing list whether anyone knows of any such companies besides = those listed at the aforementioned web page. Those emails are archived, = publicly accessible, and timestamped. It provides a better attempt at = proving the negative than your original request. >=20 > David J. >=20 >=20 > On Thursday, September 18, 2025, Jonathan S. Katz = > wrote: >> Hi Max, >>=20 >> The professional services listing page is only a listing, not an = endorsement of services[1]. Further, the PostgreSQL trademark policy[2] = prevents organizations from officially claiming endorsement from the = PostgreSQL community. Unfortunately, we can't provide this requested = letter. >>=20 >> On 9/17/25 7:34 AM, yashma77@outlook.com = wrote: >>>=20 >>> Therefore, we would be extremely grateful if you could provide us = with a formal letter or an official email confirming a simple, = verifiable fact: /that as of the current date, InDevLab LLC is the only = company listed under the 'Ukraine' section on the Professional Support = page of the postgresql.org website./ --Apple-Mail=_B15F8AC2-88B6-4706-A37E-D151AA855D31 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 If the = requirement is to certified the momentary condition of the page, rather = than any kind of endorsement or statement on the part of the project, it = might be possible to have a third-party auditor document and certify the = state of the page as of a particular date. While it is clear that = InDevLab is not asking for an endorsement from the project, any official = from the project can be interpreted that way.

On Sep 18, 2025, at 18:48, David G. Johnston = <david.g.johnston@gmail.com> wrote:

This seems to amount to a = policy of proving a negative - that no other competitive vendors exist = thus permitting an alternative acquisition process.  Seems like = whomever is asking for this evidence should be the one saying that = another vendor exists and therfore both you and them need to abide by = the normal process.

The absebce of any other = companies on the website is not itself evidence of = non-existence.

If you want something a bit more = conclusive I=E2=80=99d ask on the -general mailing list whether anyone = knows of any such companies besides those listed at the aforementioned = web page.  Those emails are archived, publicly accessible, and = timestamped.  It provides a better attempt at proving the negative = than your original request.

David = J.


On Thursday, September 18, 2025, = Jonathan S. Katz <jkatz@postgresql.org> = wrote:
Hi Max,

The professional services listing page is only a listing, not an = endorsement of services[1]. Further, the PostgreSQL trademark policy[2] = prevents organizations from officially claiming endorsement from the = PostgreSQL community. Unfortunately, we can't provide this requested = letter.

On 9/17/25 7:34 AM, yashma77@outlook.com wrote:

Therefore, we would be extremely grateful if you could provide us with a = formal letter or an official email confirming a simple, verifiable fact: = /that as of the current date, InDevLab LLC is the only company listed = under the 'Ukraine' section on the Professional Support page of the postgresql.org = website./

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