Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1idGk4-0008Ue-33 for pgsql-advocacy@arkaria.postgresql.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2019 16:46:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1idGk0-0000Rx-Eo for pgsql-advocacy@arkaria.postgresql.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2019 16:46:04 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1idGk0-0000QR-5O for pgsql-advocacy@lists.postgresql.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2019 16:46:04 +0000 Received: from mr85p00im-zteg06023901.me.com ([17.58.23.192]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1idGjs-00082g-IF for pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2019 16:46:03 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=me.com; s=1a1hai; t=1575650753; bh=o9AiJ0Cw/bL6B1WvxS5WSV/elRIC3hwSSoexv1GA5e0=; h=From:Content-Type:Subject:Date:To:Message-Id; b=jfbNpVT9VAxmydrGxb+9XkS94Q9wE0DGtlksSS05Ol03WJDAB+t2Dqo8kYSmH7eDp Pc4WH4R2T5CmNO8NVXk/+r2tHCAvh34RAITvsyZzoeSy+at6JKVsgKgUCGNNz5InxT zhSir5vACmzMOnUz/VLoH+unUVnya1zkRbartBrtTRyNq3VWYDlNO6Ws0GEeq1cOTN i+RXTu57OIn6Wek5OwMeSje7XGdUspPkSfW6U+OPZiuG7VLvrRpjay3t0Xr4mmOmyG OFujyXlMA3A8068+4XgGA1kDwi9a+GlNNQZ0WcSoszjszZeeK17F2GPpeoyCwhi3Gb auFsAECg1f5zg== Received: from [192.168.1.152] (cpe-172-91-242-229.socal.res.rr.com [172.91.242.229]) by mr85p00im-zteg06023901.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3C548960F26 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 16:45:53 +0000 (UTC) From: Abdullah Alger Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_BE3013E0-DFF1-4A80-99BC-9A9D17C47A16" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3601.0.10\)) Subject: Re: Slonik! Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2019 08:45:52 -0800 References: <20191127012611.GA13123@momjian.us> <6699A78F-9921-41B9-98CB-3C7809B8A4FB@gmail.com> To: PostgreSQL Advocacy List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3601.0.10) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:,, definitions=2019-12-06_05:,, signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1908290000 definitions=main-1912060139 List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Precedence: bulk --Apple-Mail=_BE3013E0-DFF1-4A80-99BC-9A9D17C47A16 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 To me, it looks like the Ruby logo, but blue. At least that=E2=80=99s my = first impression - and I=E2=80=99m not a Rubyist.=20 I=E2=80=99m not certain that a diamond represents strength or = reliability in a logo. I=E2=80=99d assume that diamond would represent = something like elegance or beauty. I could be wrong. > On Dec 6, 2019, at 8:40 AM, Andrej wrote: >=20 > Hi Bryan, >=20 > If you hadn't posted that logo of yours to this group, including the = current one, I wouldn't have recognised it as a stylised elephant, > which, to me, implies that it may not be a good representation of an = elephant. Actually - even seeing them side by side I still don't > recognise it as an elephant. It looks like a stylised rendition of the = old logo. >=20 >=20 > Kind regards, > Andrej >=20 > On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 at 22:13, BFarrell915 > wrote: > Hello PostgreSQL advocacy group, >=20 > I recently contacted the core team about a logo design I came up with. = Bruce kindly directed me towards this group.=20 >=20 > As you can see in the forwarded message below, logo design is a bit of = a hobby for me. If you and the community agree that the design has = potential, I would be happy to iterate on the design based on your = feedback. >=20 > If not, it was a fun project for me anyway. >=20 > Thank you, > Bryan Farrell >=20 >> Begin forwarded message: >>=20 >> From: Bruce Momjian > >> Subject: Re: Slonik! >> Date: November 26, 2019 at 20:26:11 EST >> To: BFarrell915 > >> Cc: pgsql-core@postgresql.org >>=20 >>=20 >> I would email the Postgres advocacy list, = pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org , >> and see what they think about it. It is certainly a new direction in >> design and has potential. >>=20 >> = --------------------------------------------------------------------------= - >>=20 >> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 12:37:29AM -0500, BFarrell915 wrote: >>> Hello PostgreSQL Core Team, >>>=20 >>> My name is Bryan, I=E2=80=99m a developer by trade, and I recently = started using PostgreSQL in a Django project I=E2=80=99m working on! >>>=20 >>> Logo design is also somewhat of a hobby for me, and I enjoy = researching the history behind logos and the like. Naturally, I started = researching the history behind the PostgreSQL logo soon after I started = using it. I came across this article = > which gives a fairly detailed history of Slonik and the = choices behind its creation. In that article, I also came across this = gem (pun intended). >>>=20 >>> >>>=20 >>> While not what I would consider an outstanding logo, I really liked = the idea of using a diamond to reinforce the notion of a strong, = reliable product. So I wondered how I might design a logo that looked = modern and sleek, while also incorporating that idea.=20 >>>=20 >>> Here is what I came up with. >>>=20 >>> <0592425E-7721-4057-B83F-ACB9CFF78E23.png> >>> While definitely more abstract than the current logo, I think the = elephant is easily recognizable. The rigid shapes were designed to mimic = the luster of a diamond, and they further reinforce that solid, = dependable feeling. The horizontal striations outline the shape of the = elephant=E2=80=99s ears and are also somewhat reminiscent of common = database icons = >. I don=E2=80= =99t dislike the current design of Slonik, but it does seem a bit = outdated (16 years old!) and it does lose some of its detail at smaller = sizes. >>>=20 >>> I know this is a bit unusual, the community is probably fairly = attached to the current iteration of Slonik, and a logo redesign is most = likely not on your minds. But if you (and the community) like the = design, it=E2=80=99s yours. I won=E2=80=99t ask for any kind of = compensation; all I'll ask is attribution.=20 >>>=20 >>> I=E2=80=99d be happy to hear your thoughts, and would be open to = iterating on the design based on your and/or the community's feedback. I = can also provide high quality vector assets and variations on the logo = (monochrome, various sizes, horizontal lockup, etc.). Please feel free = to email me back at your convenience. >>>=20 >>> Sincerely, >>> Bryan Farrell >>>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Bruce Momjian > = http://momjian.us >> EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com = >>=20 >> + As you are, so once was I. As I am, so you will be. + >> + Ancient Roman grave inscription + >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Please don't top post, and don't use HTML e-Mail :} Make your quotes = concise. >=20 > http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml = > http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/email-style.html = --Apple-Mail=_BE3013E0-DFF1-4A80-99BC-9A9D17C47A16 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 To = me, it looks like the Ruby logo, but blue. At least that=E2=80=99s my = first impression - and I=E2=80=99m not a Rubyist. 
I=E2=80=99m not certain that a diamond represents strength or = reliability in a logo. I=E2=80=99d assume that diamond would represent = something like elegance or beauty. I could be wrong.





On Dec = 6, 2019, at 8:40 AM, Andrej <andrej.groups@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi = Bryan,

If you hadn't posted that logo of = yours to this group, including the current one, I wouldn't have = recognised it as a stylised elephant,
which, to me, = implies that it may not be a good representation of an elephant.  = Actually - even seeing them side by side I still don't
recognise it as an elephant. It looks like a stylised = rendition of the old logo.


Kind regards,
Andrej

On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 at 22:13, BFarrell915 <bfarrell915@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello PostgreSQL = advocacy group,

I = recently contacted the core team about a logo design I came up with. = Bruce kindly directed me towards this group. 

As you can see in the = forwarded message below, logo design is a bit of a hobby for me. If you = and the community agree that the design has potential, I would be happy = to iterate on the design based on your feedback.

If not, it was a fun project for me = anyway.

Thank = you,
Bryan Farrell

Begin = forwarded message:

From: Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Subject: Re: Slonik!
Date: November 26, 2019 at 20:26:11 EST
To: BFarrell915 <bfarrell915@gmail.com>
Cc: pgsql-core@postgresql.org


I would email = the Postgres advocacy list, pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org,
and see what = they think about it.  It is certainly a new direction in
design and has potential.

---------------------------------------------------------------= ------------

On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at = 12:37:29AM -0500, BFarrell915 wrote:
Hello PostgreSQL Core Team,

My name is Bryan, I=E2=80=99m a developer by trade, and I = recently started using PostgreSQL in a Django project I=E2=80=99m = working on!

Logo design is also somewhat of = a hobby for me, and I enjoy researching the history behind logos and the = like. Naturally, I started researching the history behind the PostgreSQL = logo soon after I started using it. I came across this article <https://www.vertabelo.com/blog/the-history-of-slonik-the-postgr= esql-elephant-logo> which gives a fairly detailed history of = Slonik and the choices behind its creation. In that article, I also came = across this gem (pun intended).

<dcb3cdea445cd570ae69e35c0ab683f9.png&g= t;

While not what I would consider an outstanding = logo, I really liked the idea of using a diamond to reinforce the notion = of a strong, reliable product. So I wondered how I might design a logo = that looked modern and sleek, while also incorporating that idea. 

Here is what I came up with.

<0592425E-7721-4057-B83F-ACB9CFF78E23.p= ng>
While definitely more abstract than the current = logo, I think the elephant is easily recognizable. The rigid shapes were = designed to mimic the luster of a diamond, and they further reinforce = that solid, dependable feeling. The horizontal striations outline the = shape of the elephant=E2=80=99s ears and are also somewhat reminiscent = of common database icons <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Database_icons&= gt;. I don=E2=80=99t dislike the current design of Slonik, but it does = seem a bit outdated (16 years old!) and it does lose some of its detail = at smaller sizes.

I know this is a bit = unusual, the community is probably fairly attached to the current = iteration of Slonik, and a logo redesign is most likely not on your = minds. But if you (and the community) like the design, it=E2=80=99s = yours. I won=E2=80=99t ask for any kind of compensation; all I'll ask is = attribution. 

I=E2=80=99d be happy to hear your thoughts, = and would be open to iterating on the design based on your and/or the = community's feedback. I can also provide high quality vector assets and = variations on the logo (monochrome, various sizes, horizontal lockup, = etc.). Please feel free to email me back at your convenience.

Sincerely,
Bryan Farrell


-- 
 Bruce = Momjian  <bruce@momjian.us> =        http://momjian.us
 EnterpriseDB =             &n= bsp;           &nbs= p;   http://enterprisedb.com

+ = As you are, so once was I.  As I am, so you will be. +
+ =             &n= bsp;        Ancient Roman grave = inscription +



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