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Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2023 23:13:43 +0800
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Subject: Re: Birmingham City Council chose Oracle, went broke because of it ;)
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If civil servants adopt the age-old pay-for-value strategy, the
=E2=80=9Czero-failure ERP implementation strategy=E2=80=9D, citizens will o=
nly lose very
little:

1. Let the city's own IT staff implement the project.

2. They hire only one consultant to train these IT people in all the
necessary skills to implement their project with a decent ERP development
and execution framework powered by PostgreSQL to implement their projects.
City consulates will try to limit overall training days to 5 days unless
their IT staff does not have PostgreSQL, basic accounting, and large
database design skills.

3. If the majority of IT staff or end users are not satisfied with the
above ERP framework during implementation, City Consul will not purchase
the ERP framework.

On Thu, Sep 7, 2023 at 4:23=E2=80=AFPM Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net=
> wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 7, 2023 at 1:49=E2=80=AFAM Justin Clift <justin@postgresql.or=
g> wrote:
> >
> > Heh Heh Heh.  This is pretty funny:
> >
> >
> https://www.theregister.com/2023/09/05/birmingham_city_council_oracle/
> >
> >    "Birmingham City Council, the largest local authority in Europe, has
> >     declared itself in financial distress after troubled Oracle project
> >     costs ballooned from =C2=A320 million to around =C2=A3100 million (=
$125.5
> > million)."
> >
> > Wonder if they'll make the smart choice next time around, and choose PG
> > + a decent vendor instead? :)
>
> In fairness, that project is about Oracle Fusion, not the database. So
> PG doesn't have a competing product. There are opensource ERP products
> out there, but I'm not sure they're advanced enough to handle
> something like that...
>
> --
>  Magnus Hagander
>  Me: https://www.hagander.net/
>  Work: https://www.redpill-linpro.com/
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">If civil servants adopt the age-old pay-for-value strategy=
, the =E2=80=9Czero-failure ERP implementation strategy=E2=80=9D, citizens =
will only lose very little:<br><br>1. Let the city&#39;s own IT staff imple=
ment the project.<br><br>2. They hire only one consultant to train these IT=
 people in all the necessary skills to implement their project with a decen=
t ERP development and execution framework powered by PostgreSQL to implemen=
t their projects. City consulates will try to limit overall training days t=
o 5 days unless their IT staff does not have PostgreSQL, basic accounting, =
and large database design skills.<br><br>3. If the majority of IT staff or =
end users are not satisfied with the above ERP framework during implementat=
ion, City Consul will not purchase the ERP framework.<br></div><br><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 7, 202=
3 at 4:23=E2=80=AFPM Magnus Hagander &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:magnus@hagander.=
net">magnus@hagander.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204=
,204);padding-left:1ex">On Thu, Sep 7, 2023 at 1:49=E2=80=AFAM Justin Clift=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:justin@postgresql.org" target=3D"_blank">justin@post=
gresql.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Heh Heh Heh.=C2=A0 This is pretty funny:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"https://www.theregister.com/2023/09/05/birming=
ham_city_council_oracle/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.=
theregister.com/2023/09/05/birmingham_city_council_oracle/</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &quot;Birmingham City Council, the largest local authorit=
y in Europe, has<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0declared itself in financial distress after trouble=
d Oracle project<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0costs ballooned from =C2=A320 million to around =C2=
=A3100 million ($125.5<br>
&gt; million).&quot;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Wonder if they&#39;ll make the smart choice next time around, and choo=
se PG<br>
&gt; + a decent vendor instead? :)<br>
<br>
In fairness, that project is about Oracle Fusion, not the database. So<br>
PG doesn&#39;t have a competing product. There are opensource ERP products<=
br>
out there, but I&#39;m not sure they&#39;re advanced enough to handle<br>
something like that...<br>
<br>
-- <br>
=C2=A0Magnus Hagander<br>
=C2=A0Me: <a href=3D"https://www.hagander.net/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=
=3D"_blank">https://www.hagander.net/</a><br>
=C2=A0Work: <a href=3D"https://www.redpill-linpro.com/" rel=3D"noreferrer" =
target=3D"_blank">https://www.redpill-linpro.com/</a><br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div>

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