Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1q52aj-0005Ze-3h for pgsql-advocacy@arkaria.postgresql.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2023 11:05:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1q52ah-0003qV-VM for pgsql-advocacy@arkaria.postgresql.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2023 11:05:07 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1q52ah-0003pJ-NK for pgsql-advocacy@lists.postgresql.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2023 11:05:07 +0000 Received: from pgintl.fastcrypt.com ([149.56.129.164]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1q52ad-003Etd-CJ for pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2023 11:05:06 +0000 Received: from mail-lj1-f169.google.com (mail-lj1-f169.google.com [209.85.208.169]) by pgintl.fastcrypt.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6B823202EF for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2023 07:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lj1-f169.google.com with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-2af177f12a5so25441281fa.2 for ; Fri, 02 Jun 2023 04:05:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDzSa2J2jeGvLmJwu0jzPKwOhkkyRZdDpgFYN9dzg17IskRLvv8+ xKo+NDF0Vcu+k0Nfj2OfiIrZyCnqoyYkhdsYt0k= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ6Ob0eeJdB8/T1F+Wal4cGAR9QES7OMACbMMbBjslf4iL1OwKIxtYRgQceDBih+2QLm9iXp+hn72p+p+ZifrsQ= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:9206:0:b0:2af:231a:f9f0 with SMTP id k6-20020a2e9206000000b002af231af9f0mr1278704ljg.42.1685703898939; Fri, 02 Jun 2023 04:04:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dave Cramer Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2023 07:04:41 -0400 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: RFC: a new try for an official community approved certification To: Valeria Kaplan Cc: Jaime Casanova , Adrian Klaver , PostgreSQL Advocacy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000017c86d05fd23869b" List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk --00000000000017c86d05fd23869b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2 Jun 2023 at 05:57, Valeria Kaplan wrote: > Thank you for bringing this topic to discussion, Jaime! > > To add to Adrian's questions here are my 5 cents > > Postgres is a community that consists of people from different companies > with variety of interests: > - Postgres/open source/community-focused interests > - personal interests > - their company's interests > > To create a fully "unbiased" certification there is a need for a working > group whose interests would be fully aligned. > Agreed > I must admit, I'm a bit pessimistic about a unified Postgres certificatio= n > as it would put people who would be working on it in a difficult situatio= n > when they're serving all the abovementioned interests. > My pessimism is more around how you keep the answers from becoming public knowledge. I don't think that should stop us from working on this however. Dave > > > Valeria > > > On Thu, Jun 1, 2023 at 11:31=E2=80=AFPM Adrian Klaver > wrote: > >> On 6/1/23 15:04, Jaime Casanova wrote: >> > Hi everyone, >> > >> > At PgCon I mentioned a was going to create this thread so here we go: >> > >> >> > >> > So, having a certification made from a pool of validated >> > questions/answers don't only will help companies choosing trainings >> > but will in effect improve the quality of trainers. >> > >> > There are a lot of open questions yet, like where the exams will be >> > taken. In the community infrastructure? in the company's? >> > >> > but I guess we have still enough for start commenting. >> 1) Who oversees all of the above? >> >> 2) How are the questions and answers developed without leaking the >> information out to test takers? >> >> 3) Does core mean just the community Postgres? >> >> > >> > -- >> > Jaime Casanova >> > Director de Servicios Profesionales >> > SYSTEMGUARDS - Consultores de PostgreSQL >> > >> > >> >> -- >> Adrian Klaver >> adrian.klaver@aklaver.com >> >> >> >> --00000000000017c86d05fd23869b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Fri, 2 Jun 2023 at 05:57, Valeria = Kaplan <kaplan.valeria@gmail= .com> wrote:
Thank you for bringing this topic to discussion, = Jaime!

To add to Adrian= 9;s questions here are my 5 cents

Postgres is a communit= y that consists of people from different=C2=A0companies with variety of int= erests:
- Postgres/open source/community-focused interests
<= div>- personal interests
- their company's interests

To create a fully "unbiased" certification there= is a need for a working group whose interests=C2=A0would be fully aligned.= =C2=A0
Agreed
=C2=A0
I must admit, I'm a bit pessimistic about a unified Postgres = certification as it would put people who would be working on it in a diffic= ult situation when they're serving all the abovementioned interests.

My pessimism is more around= how you keep the answers from becoming public knowledge. I don't think= that should stop us from working on this however.

Dave

=C2=A0

Valeria


On Thu, Jun 1, 2023 at 11:31=E2=80= =AFPM Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com> wrote:
On 6/1/23 15:04, Jaime Casanova wrote:=
> Hi everyone,
>
> At PgCon I mentioned a was going to create this thread so here we go:<= br> >

>
> So, having a certification made from a pool of validated
> questions/answers don't only will help companies choosing training= s
> but will in effect improve the quality of trainers.
>
> There are a lot of open questions yet, like where the exams will be > taken. In the community infrastructure? in the company's?
>
> but I guess we have still enough for start commenting.
1) Who oversees all of the above?

2) How are the questions and answers developed without leaking the
information out to test takers?

3) Does core mean just the community Postgres?

>
> --
> Jaime Casanova
> Director de Servicios Profesionales
> SYSTEMGUARDS - Consultores de PostgreSQL
>
>

--
Adrian Klaver
adrian.klave= r@aklaver.com



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