Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1q56Ap-0008CR-Q2 for pgsql-advocacy@arkaria.postgresql.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2023 14:54:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1q56Ao-0000f0-Dy for pgsql-advocacy@arkaria.postgresql.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2023 14:54:38 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1q56An-0000eq-UP for pgsql-advocacy@lists.postgresql.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2023 14:54:38 +0000 Received: from pgintl.fastcrypt.com ([149.56.129.164]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1q56Ag-003Gtx-U3 for pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2023 14:54:36 +0000 Received: from mail-lj1-f177.google.com (mail-lj1-f177.google.com [209.85.208.177]) by pgintl.fastcrypt.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AA16D202FA for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2023 10:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lj1-f177.google.com with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-2b1a6a8e851so22348001fa.2 for ; Fri, 02 Jun 2023 07:54:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDy5B+gUoMb0NCec9tG72dvIeVF+VC8dT5BWLXgB1m1qXIAhlSb7 Z+Ntqm0ObYa7FWYP+7IkY9WdS6D2wFHV823izu8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ6z1PhdIobyRrWGNIzCxa2zODtm0QBXPXYgmDG+p2+gKHh627//S/wnyawen8wgIOk3M5PMyK96fJaDtt0IUL0= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:8342:0:b0:2ab:6e23:ef71 with SMTP id l2-20020a2e8342000000b002ab6e23ef71mr132323ljh.37.1685717668075; Fri, 02 Jun 2023 07:54:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dave Cramer Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2023 10:54:11 -0400 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: RFC: a new try for an official community approved certification To: Guillaume Lelarge Cc: Katherine Mcmillan , Valeria Kaplan , Adrian Klaver , Jaime Casanova , PostgreSQL Advocacy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000cc1f6005fd26badf" List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk --000000000000cc1f6005fd26badf Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2 Jun 2023 at 10:45, Guillaume Lelarge wrote: > Le ven. 2 juin 2023 =C3=A0 16:35, Katherine Mcmillan a > =C3=A9crit : > >> Hi Guillaume, >> >> That's interesting - the PostgreSQL training/testing that Dalibo is >> offering is in French? >> >> > Yes, that's only available in french. > > >> I wonder if we could work out an agreement with Dalibo and build on the >> training that you have already developed, rather than re-inventing the >> wheel, so to speak. That way we're kind of building the unified or >> standardized English and French training/testing at the same time >> ('unified' or 'standardized' sounds better to me than 'community >> developed'). >> >> > I don't think we are discussing training. This could be an option for companies to offer training for compensation. I thought we were only discussing certification. In my mind that is just the testing. Dave > I don't know, but it could be interesting. I'm not sure we did the work t= o > update it to v15, but it sure covers v14. Anyway, I'm not the one who cou= ld > decide such things :) > > >> Just some thoughts :) >> >> Sincerely, >> Katie >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Guillaume Lelarge >> *Sent:* 02 June 2023 10:06 >> *To:* Katherine Mcmillan >> *Cc:* Valeria Kaplan ; Adrian Klaver < >> adrian.klaver@aklaver.com>; Jaime Casanova ; >> PostgreSQL Advocacy >> *Subject:* Re: RFC: a new try for an official community approved >> certification >> >> *Attention : courriel externe | external email* >> Hi, >> >> Le ven. 2 juin 2023 =C3=A0 15:13, Katherine Mcmillan a >> =C3=A9crit : >> >> Hello all, >> >> Not sure about this idea, but possibly a better one than having a single >> company (ex. Red Hat and EDB come to mind) run the show for >> certifications/competency rating. I like it from this respect. >> >> >> There are other companies doing PostgreSQL certification. SRA in Japan, >> and Dalibo in France (disclaimer: I work for Dalibo) offer certification >> exams for their customers. >> >> I will love the idea if you are able to, somehow, offer the >> training/testing in languages other than English. PostgreSQL is an >> international open source project and English-only training/testing is n= ot >> very appropriate. This gives a huge advantage to the community's native >> English speakers (the goal here is to produce something 'unbiased' I >> thought). >> >> Perhaps develop it in English, with input from those from non-English >> speaking countries on your working group, and then have it translated in= to >> multiple languages (also: be careful how you prioritize these, but if yo= u >> have, say, a member from India on your working group, perhaps Hindi beco= mes >> one of the first). >> >> >> Multiple languages would be a must, I totally agree. Dalibo did its own >> certification because the community didn't seem to be able to work on a >> unified one, despite many tries. I'd love to see a unified Postgres >> certification, and we (Dalibo) would gladly work on this project, but I >> also am kinda skeptical of the outcome. >> >> Regards. >> >> >> -- >> Guillaume. >> > > > -- > Guillaume. > --000000000000cc1f6005fd26badf Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Fri, 2 Jun 2023 at 10:45, Guillaum= e Lelarge <guillaume@lelarge.i= nfo> wrote:
Le=C2=A0ven. 2 juin 2023 =C3=A0=C2=A016:35, Katherine Mcmillan &l= t;kmcmi046@uottawa= .ca> a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
Hi Guillaume,

That's interesting - the PostgreSQL training/testing that Dalibo is off= ering is in French?=C2=A0


Yes, that's only= available in french.
=C2=A0
I wonder if we could work out an agreement with Dalibo and build on the tra= ining that you have already developed, rather than re-inventing the wheel, = so to speak.=C2=A0 That way we're kind of building the unified or stand= ardized English and French training/testing at the same time ('unified' or 'standardized' sounds bette= r to me than 'community developed').


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I don't think we are discussing training. This could be an option = for companies to offer training for compensation.
I thought we we= re only discussing certification. In my mind that is just the testing.

Dave
I don'= ;t know, but it could be interesting. I'm not sure we did the work to u= pdate it to v15, but it sure covers v14. Anyway, I'm not the one who co= uld decide such things :)
=C2=A0
Just some thoughts :)

Sincerely,
Katie
From: Guillaume Lelarge <guillaume@lelarge.info>
Sent: 02 June 2023 10:06
To: Katherine Mcmillan <kmcmi046@uottawa.ca>
Cc: Valeria Kaplan <kaplan.valeria@gmail.com>; Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@akla= ver.com>; Jaime Casanova <jcasanov@systemguards.com.ec>; PostgreSQL= Advocacy <pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org>
Subject: Re: RFC: a new try for an official community approved certi= fication
=C2=A0
At= tention : courriel externe | external email
Hi,

Le=C2=A0ven. 2 juin 2023 =C3=A0=C2=A015:13, Katherine Mcmi= llan <kmcmi046@= uottawa.ca> a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
Hello all,

Not sure about this idea, but possibly a better one than having a single co= mpany (ex. Red Hat and EDB come to mind) run the show for certifications/co= mpetency rating.=C2=A0 I like it from this respect.


There are other companies doing PostgreSQL certification. SRA in Japan= , and Dalibo in France (disclaimer: I work for Dalibo) offer certification = exams for their customers.

I will love the idea if you are able to, somehow, offer the training/testin= g in languages other than English.=C2=A0 PostgreSQL is an international ope= n source project and English-only training/testing is not very appropriate.= =C2=A0 This gives a huge advantage to the community's native English speakers (the goal here is to produce somet= hing 'unbiased' I thought).

Perhaps develop it in English, with input from those from non-English speak= ing countries on your working group, and then have it translated into multi= ple languages (also: be careful how you prioritize these, but if you have, = say, a member from India on your working group, perhaps Hindi becomes one of the first).=C2=A0=C2=A0


Multiple languages would be a must, I totally agree. Dalibo did its ow= n certification because the community didn't seem to be able to work on= a unified one, despite many tries. I'd love to see a unified Postgres = certification, and we (Dalibo) would gladly work on this project, but I also am kinda skeptical of the outcome.

Regards.


--
Guillaume.


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Guillaume.
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