Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1q55QT-0005pR-1I for pgsql-advocacy@arkaria.postgresql.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2023 14:06:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1q55QQ-0001bt-O7 for pgsql-advocacy@arkaria.postgresql.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2023 14:06:42 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1q55QQ-0001X7-Ad for pgsql-advocacy@lists.postgresql.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2023 14:06:42 +0000 Received: from mail-yw1-x1135.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::1135]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1q55QM-003hIL-Lj for pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2023 14:06:41 +0000 Received: by mail-yw1-x1135.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-565aa2cc428so20207507b3.1 for ; Fri, 02 Jun 2023 07:06:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lelarge-info.20221208.gappssmtp.com; s=20221208; t=1685714797; x=1688306797; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=ct/8IlEAfR+LdY/oZMulb93Vxem7yByNlOe73svRk1A=; b=cbFCxlE8n0de5UoLS4t8N8ogrWmR5lJTWVD4VplFFAjvkPysPoRrst/dA/JDyOnCmB miqjwPj1qIgq5LBqEZJLYlFhtOjWbFnVJ33S0OiL9fmi5IGpIO4zmV8znMebj0/feCe4 5atSa2+cpSg9Q6WEZisWl+JVK8Bf/wwlP2Q5Ch9MFm9p+xzeYpqI7P9PznYUyfKiQ76V 0On/Q9psvor+QTLbKPzRLld6j5+EX4opSf30pfFkiAHocMOQ6ZuHJMsizj+VLsq8NCl7 P3V5OidxFhQR77VFL87aHno8qiDFgyfUluUEBw/cWMsy8yg+1j+D4c39mCLNq6RmRfjH IgbQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1685714797; x=1688306797; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=ct/8IlEAfR+LdY/oZMulb93Vxem7yByNlOe73svRk1A=; b=PrKOecaNkdtPUC9e0g3GHddajkt8Ci4w6/mlLkz3Gc3epYw5Mf54LLfsDTy++z6d1H 43dP0S7w92hraGuKQg+eP2QheEQmwmmnesgIaapaSmrpgROFMYLeywIN6HYygwVbnDSs KNV6R4J/MXKIWT4CzE1JvVkNIZ0LVLEjEidDSR2qn4F+DYmqH9ElhT9M7X/+i8tsu5rl H+TOUVMjH+yl80C7kcADLQ5SJKYBF84oMyJYK1X/AsIbXKoVz+vgEvzIzpW1McJEIDNT 4rA07EjJeWZTliBcWtzRK3KXw3s6gLXKByC8hyHXoXN8Z3so8+FRrURR6+E2HZ6bXPNu e1oA== X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDxBoUItxZgnDbv7DdW3uSGkYRu35BrJ4LBOwWtd8re2YdMXFrhp 7pSPEmr/AcCCY2XlxCL9r5TXE/ocv2WttYcqJ/QUZg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ55klDun5joJVVMI7Wr4KOhH6K61Gg8vdNsG3KcXjaSrD33tTg88g6gCcJWUoThXrCP0pvU0AD5HgweQGl9YPg= X-Received: by 2002:a0d:d78b:0:b0:565:b160:b281 with SMTP id z133-20020a0dd78b000000b00565b160b281mr77135ywd.16.1685714797580; Fri, 02 Jun 2023 07:06:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Guillaume Lelarge Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2023 16:06:26 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: RFC: a new try for an official community approved certification To: Katherine Mcmillan Cc: Valeria Kaplan , Adrian Klaver , Jaime Casanova , PostgreSQL Advocacy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b3f95a05fd260fcd" List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk --000000000000b3f95a05fd260fcd Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Le ven. 2 juin 2023 =C3=A0 15:13, Katherine Mcmillan = a =C3=A9crit : > Hello all, > > Not sure about this idea, but possibly a better one than having a single > company (ex. Red Hat and EDB come to mind) run the show for > certifications/competency rating. I like it from this respect. > > There are other companies doing PostgreSQL certification. SRA in Japan, and Dalibo in France (disclaimer: I work for Dalibo) offer certification exams for their customers. I will love the idea if you are able to, somehow, offer the > training/testing in languages other than English. PostgreSQL is an > international open source project and English-only training/testing is no= t > very appropriate. This gives a huge advantage to the community's native > English speakers (the goal here is to produce something 'unbiased' I > thought). > > Perhaps develop it in English, with input from those from non-English > speaking countries on your working group, and then have it translated int= o > multiple languages (also: be careful how you prioritize these, but if you > have, say, a member from India on your working group, perhaps Hindi becom= es > one of the first). > > Multiple languages would be a must, I totally agree. Dalibo did its own certification because the community didn't seem to be able to work on a unified one, despite many tries. I'd love to see a unified Postgres certification, and we (Dalibo) would gladly work on this project, but I also am kinda skeptical of the outcome. Regards. --=20 Guillaume. --000000000000b3f95a05fd260fcd Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

Le=C2=A0ven. 2 juin 2023 =C3=A0=C2=A015:13, K= atherine Mcmillan <kmcmi046@uotta= wa.ca> a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
Hello all,

Not sure about this idea, but possibly a better one than having a single co= mpany (ex. Red Hat and EDB come to mind) run the show for certifications/co= mpetency rating.=C2=A0 I like it from this respect.


There are other comp= anies doing PostgreSQL certification. SRA in Japan, and Dalibo in France (d= isclaimer: I work for Dalibo) offer certification exams for their customers= .

I will love the idea if you are able to, somehow, offer the training/testin= g in languages other than English.=C2=A0 PostgreSQL is an international ope= n source project and English-only training/testing is not very appropriate.= =C2=A0 This gives a huge advantage to the community's native English speakers (the goal here is to produce somet= hing 'unbiased' I thought).

Perhaps develop it in English, with input from those from non-English speak= ing countries on your working group, and then have it translated into multi= ple languages (also: be careful how you prioritize these, but if you have, = say, a member from India on your working group, perhaps Hindi becomes one of the first).=C2=A0=C2=A0


Multiple languages w= ould be a must, I totally agree. Dalibo did its own certification because t= he community didn't seem to be able to work on a unified one, despite m= any tries. I'd love to see a unified Postgres certification, and we (Da= libo) would gladly work on this project, but I also am kinda skeptical of t= he outcome.

Regards.


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