Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1q561d-0007pn-Vy for pgsql-advocacy@arkaria.postgresql.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2023 14:45:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1q561c-00059V-Uj for pgsql-advocacy@arkaria.postgresql.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2023 14:45:08 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1q561c-00059C-IS for pgsql-advocacy@lists.postgresql.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2023 14:45:08 +0000 Received: from mail-oi1-x22b.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::22b]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1q561Z-003Ghw-TY for pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2023 14:45:07 +0000 Received: by mail-oi1-x22b.google.com with SMTP id 5614622812f47-390723f815fso1396641b6e.3 for ; Fri, 02 Jun 2023 07:45:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lelarge-info.20221208.gappssmtp.com; s=20221208; t=1685717105; x=1688309105; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=BRdy1xfikyWLNklsICdZaAOi4KdXs9tR3emVPHUzx5k=; b=Q8TgXWWqEi8JBWnL2afZdhnSIcvVuNoNtEd2wh2kYOLkbl62KMaGPCqgzdjKg+lkAT iU8loW9ysvp1hHy7grktBnpEEVHgpQp9hjuYkktOKHYRKghziXyWsMf8I1TGwzBP939q cXNFSd7xzCIrSe1lPsWzCxSQmHkya+p61of2urfJO3T7yCYsQv4vzhjFH2O/+z8pzi+/ +VRa24d6Y+LfWUhOrIP1elQcj+yvt3CCmchjygsdB2WtmTDWB0qDxpako6VmiGqFznbA 55607l+Ms8gjkc4s2yjerz1XHF2Wu0HXNqm6Mrx3ocGovjPoSRLUVLOn6dUJddgFd56y MKLA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1685717105; x=1688309105; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=BRdy1xfikyWLNklsICdZaAOi4KdXs9tR3emVPHUzx5k=; b=N6VesaMKnD/7rSE800qxLghFDKKGh5EyFX7NiLFx/W15uZrspkruR9l2Bceh7LJK/i R4smTmM+3KpQEi15dWkir3mJvPZIRG5p9BOmUsDEpiZJTBplj8Xdhx1WilEvoCkydhkc BP8jkEyGmsv3uRPOwk6aNX1M5peCMJ8VudS+UDgU+NHwbb3XGh8Q7TkNx5Mcx9Dzq7U0 36j3Sw7Cv8gxb31WmdwcssDUGXtBu+I6cxgbi+DF7WnDxRH8sd0+OfVZpWJsMuITy3ho Npx5HTNaovyadasTHqAJrdacPLKwQmFZ6wyKzkhkkR/tJ+7bNV+D23VY0kxHHQn/+i0M xAag== X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDzuGvJRHXFTENmSEnrLmKIRPJnpnvd8xYaL7MB9nBntjJCH0JmR GisuMv1ox9XKEEjP69NOfVANvsSDczrSpg5GzNkGeg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ6OWvmYXNx0NHPmQc8jIWlHcwtYl9f3c8vAYSf19yJdYTPcR5esU/EwEiZLZwWOWoOUw3d8XfICVwXhRSr4z0s= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6808:187:b0:398:34da:daad with SMTP id w7-20020a056808018700b0039834dadaadmr98667oic.51.1685717105353; Fri, 02 Jun 2023 07:45:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Guillaume Lelarge Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2023 16:44:54 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: RFC: a new try for an official community approved certification To: Katherine Mcmillan Cc: Valeria Kaplan , Adrian Klaver , Jaime Casanova , PostgreSQL Advocacy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000041ba2d05fd26991c" List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk --00000000000041ba2d05fd26991c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le ven. 2 juin 2023 =C3=A0 16:35, Katherine Mcmillan = a =C3=A9crit : > Hi Guillaume, > > That's interesting - the PostgreSQL training/testing that Dalibo is > offering is in French? > > Yes, that's only available in french. > I wonder if we could work out an agreement with Dalibo and build on the > training that you have already developed, rather than re-inventing the > wheel, so to speak. That way we're kind of building the unified or > standardized English and French training/testing at the same time > ('unified' or 'standardized' sounds better to me than 'community > developed'). > > I don't know, but it could be interesting. I'm not sure we did the work to update it to v15, but it sure covers v14. Anyway, I'm not the one who could decide such things :) > Just some thoughts :) > > Sincerely, > Katie > ------------------------------ > *From:* Guillaume Lelarge > *Sent:* 02 June 2023 10:06 > *To:* Katherine Mcmillan > *Cc:* Valeria Kaplan ; Adrian Klaver < > adrian.klaver@aklaver.com>; Jaime Casanova = ; > PostgreSQL Advocacy > *Subject:* Re: RFC: a new try for an official community approved > certification > > *Attention : courriel externe | external email* > Hi, > > Le ven. 2 juin 2023 =C3=A0 15:13, Katherine Mcmillan a > =C3=A9crit : > > Hello all, > > Not sure about this idea, but possibly a better one than having a single > company (ex. Red Hat and EDB come to mind) run the show for > certifications/competency rating. I like it from this respect. > > > There are other companies doing PostgreSQL certification. SRA in Japan, > and Dalibo in France (disclaimer: I work for Dalibo) offer certification > exams for their customers. > > I will love the idea if you are able to, somehow, offer the > training/testing in languages other than English. PostgreSQL is an > international open source project and English-only training/testing is no= t > very appropriate. This gives a huge advantage to the community's native > English speakers (the goal here is to produce something 'unbiased' I > thought). > > Perhaps develop it in English, with input from those from non-English > speaking countries on your working group, and then have it translated int= o > multiple languages (also: be careful how you prioritize these, but if you > have, say, a member from India on your working group, perhaps Hindi becom= es > one of the first). > > > Multiple languages would be a must, I totally agree. Dalibo did its own > certification because the community didn't seem to be able to work on a > unified one, despite many tries. I'd love to see a unified Postgres > certification, and we (Dalibo) would gladly work on this project, but I > also am kinda skeptical of the outcome. > > Regards. > > > -- > Guillaume. > --=20 Guillaume. --00000000000041ba2d05fd26991c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Le=C2=A0ven. 2 juin 2023 =C3=A0=C2=A016:35, Katherine Mcmillan <<= a href=3D"mailto:kmcmi046@uottawa.ca">kmcmi046@uottawa.ca> a =C3=A9c= rit=C2=A0:
Hi Guillaume,

That's interesting - the PostgreSQL training/testing that Dalibo is off= ering is in French?=C2=A0


Yes, that's only= available in french.
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I wonder if we could work out an agreement with Dalibo and build on the tra= ining that you have already developed, rather than re-inventing the wheel, = so to speak.=C2=A0 That way we're kind of building the unified or stand= ardized English and French training/testing at the same time ('unified' or 'standardized' sounds bette= r to me than 'community developed').


I don't know, bu= t it could be interesting. I'm not sure we did the work to update it to= v15, but it sure covers v14. Anyway, I'm not the one who could decide = such things :)
=C2=A0
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Just some thoughts :)

Sincerely,
Katie
From: = Guillaume Lelarge <guillaume@lelarge.info>
Sent: 02 June 2023 10:06
To: Katherine Mcmillan <kmcmi046@uottawa.ca>
Cc: Valeria Kaplan <kaplan.valeria@gmail.com>; Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@akla= ver.com>; Jaime Casanova <jcasanov@systemguards.com.ec>; PostgreSQL= Advocacy <pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org>
Subject: Re: RFC: a new try for an official community approved certi= fication
=C2=A0
Attention : courriel externe | external email
Hi,

Le=C2=A0ven. 2 juin 2023 =C3=A0=C2=A015:13, Katherine Mcmi= llan <kmcmi046@= uottawa.ca> a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
Hello all,

Not sure about this idea, but possibly a better one than having a single co= mpany (ex. Red Hat and EDB come to mind) run the show for certifications/co= mpetency rating.=C2=A0 I like it from this respect.


There are other companies doing PostgreSQL certification. SRA in Japan= , and Dalibo in France (disclaimer: I work for Dalibo) offer certification = exams for their customers.

I will love the idea if you are able to, somehow, offer the training/testin= g in languages other than English.=C2=A0 PostgreSQL is an international ope= n source project and English-only training/testing is not very appropriate.= =C2=A0 This gives a huge advantage to the community's native English speakers (the goal here is to produce somet= hing 'unbiased' I thought).

Perhaps develop it in English, with input from those from non-English speak= ing countries on your working group, and then have it translated into multi= ple languages (also: be careful how you prioritize these, but if you have, = say, a member from India on your working group, perhaps Hindi becomes one of the first).=C2=A0=C2=A0


Multiple languages would be a must, I totally agree. Dalibo did its ow= n certification because the community didn't seem to be able to work on= a unified one, despite many tries. I'd love to see a unified Postgres = certification, and we (Dalibo) would gladly work on this project, but I also am kinda skeptical of the outcome.

Regards.


--
Guillaume.


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Guillaume.
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