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From: James Keener <jim@jimkeener.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2023 10:41:04 -0400
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Subject: Re: RFC: a new try for an official community approved certification
To: Robert Bernier <robert7390@comcast.net>
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I don't really have any business being in this discussion, but I figured
I'd toss this in anyway.  I realize it's not in-line with what many of you
are thinking, but it may be a good example to follow if we align
expectations with what it provides. Also, apologies if this has come up;
I've been trying to follow but there have been a lot of messages.

In the US, to get an Amerature Radio license you have to study the
requisite material, which includes the exam questions and answers. The exam
is administered by anyone who has passed the VE (Volunteer Examiner) exam
and is 2nd or 3rd level. There are currently 3 license levels: Technician,
General, and Extra. Each one has more in-depth question, but all of the
questions and answers for all levels are public. The exam taken is a
randomized subset of those questions. (I believe it's something like 10%? I
could be wrong without looking it up.)

As for mechanics of administering the exam, at least three VEs need to be
present who are not related to you and who are of the level you're testing
for or higher. Due to Covid, remote exams are now allowed/more common, but
are done with webcam on during the exam so the VE can watch.

While this is obviously easy to game, the expectation is that if you passed
the exam, even if you only studied the questions and answers, you'd have
the basic amount of knowledge needed to operate at the license level you
passed with.

Jim

On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 9:26=E2=80=AFAM Robert Bernier <robert7390@comcast.n=
et>
wrote:

> Guys,
>
> I still have bad memories when we tried this the last time some 15 years
> ago.
>
> Let's do this in small steps:
> - Create a mail list just for this thread
> - Instead of creating an approved certification how's about developing an
> RFC of sorts outlining expected competencies for various classifications =
of
> knowledge (that should be real fun) is expected to carry out certain task=
s.
> Then, after there's some sort of agreement in the community.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Robert Bernier
> robert.bernier@percona.com
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I don&#39;t really have any business being in this di=
scussion, but I figured I&#39;d toss this in anyway.=C2=A0 I realize it&#39=
;s not in-line with what many of you are thinking, but it may be a good exa=
mple to follow if we align expectations with what it provides. Also, apolog=
ies if this has come up; I&#39;ve been trying to follow but there have been=
 a lot of messages.<br></div><div><br></div><div>In the US, to get an Amera=
ture Radio license you have to study the requisite material, which includes=
 the exam questions and answers. The exam is administered by anyone who has=
 passed the VE (Volunteer Examiner) exam and is 2nd or 3rd level. There are=
 currently 3 license levels: Technician, General, and Extra. Each one has m=
ore in-depth question, but all of the questions and answers for all levels =
are public. The exam taken is a randomized subset of those questions. (I be=
lieve it&#39;s something like 10%? I could be wrong without looking it up.)=
</div><div><br></div><div>As for mechanics of administering the exam, at le=
ast three VEs need to be present who are not related to you and who are of =
the level you&#39;re testing for or higher. Due to Covid, remote exams are =
now allowed/more common, but are done with webcam on during the exam so the=
 VE can watch.<br></div><div><br></div><div>While this is obviously easy to=
 game, the expectation is that if you passed the exam, even if you only stu=
died the questions and answers, you&#39;d have the basic amount of knowledg=
e needed to operate at the license level you passed with.</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>Jim<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 9:26=E2=80=AFAM Robert Bernier =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:robert7390@comcast.net">robert7390@comcast.net</a>&gt=
; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px=
 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Guys,<b=
r>
<br>
I still have bad memories when we tried this the last time some 15 years ag=
o.<br>
<br>
Let&#39;s do this in small steps:<br>
- Create a mail list just for this thread<br>
- Instead of creating an approved certification how&#39;s about developing =
an RFC of sorts outlining expected competencies for various classifications=
 of knowledge (that should be real fun) is expected to carry out certain ta=
sks. Then, after there&#39;s some sort of agreement in the community.<br>
<br>
Hope this helps.<br>
<br>
Robert Bernier<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:robert.bernier@percona.com" target=3D"_blank">robert.bern=
ier@percona.com</a><br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div>

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