Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hRMAJ-0008CL-VO for pgsql-advocacy@arkaria.postgresql.org; Thu, 16 May 2019 19:35:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hRMAH-0000Nq-FG for pgsql-advocacy@arkaria.postgresql.org; Thu, 16 May 2019 19:35:41 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hRMAH-0000NX-3h for pgsql-advocacy@lists.postgresql.org; Thu, 16 May 2019 19:35:41 +0000 Received: from mail-oi1-x244.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::244]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hRMAE-0006Sg-EX for pgsql-advocacy@lists.postgresql.org; Thu, 16 May 2019 19:35:40 +0000 Received: by mail-oi1-x244.google.com with SMTP id 203so3404137oid.13 for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 12:35:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bowt-ie.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=wIbLkC7+jSRPLJXBMaQnBH6nyN0GXjTYAaJQc6CNShQ=; b=UputPATxVmm2kEYi/Vc0RH02NdReHv5AElv5uSkKCtTvl8XI8UmSUKlUeejXhVcRTw Xhh6x7COlO2Y0tCgGCgz2ab8i/Ajb3xFeRbuC3BZVbHyeOF4kiXeXi8R4kwOg98eALHT Tdgf0wMlv1sbjaX1pMNzV3A5Jaj9uOgja7XFUM3VcXvjjOJaiqkxpB4db+y4zij1G08U Nfg63cYK+e7/YJGD+M8JhiLliRhk/OzjDYugQgt1aVRaUz0+p4offpxGFDiMN934HBlQ 2bMC9w2MT0h1m4R+hxFiapvTVd/im1MZA6It31bjo4BfbrPH8vW0ZtNz7frxdsEeJc6s 3CWw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=wIbLkC7+jSRPLJXBMaQnBH6nyN0GXjTYAaJQc6CNShQ=; b=SOgFWUZp/2+GnB4ildSolPqakW3gKqS96MF0qbchyrGCyV1UMF2UG9jW9qRbfR2w9d AcNDzf1hrGLlMZ0VBdL0/2Nx6QfgCVslSC7Aheu0CuAiNQsK1MovY8OAYrFls5cO6bXw tS0jdF3p056fMGJs5sh98p0f5mQGuQozLVWkxuR8DFaDmBpJ12V5GlZg6Mfr2Qvh2uOg nM9rvZcYz+iFdn1sc9NZkpkmO6JhTfiY4jtS7TvfGZLZBhBh8Wes0GDHRD1xDZuMTi0i kyZ3AKlDEJ5GAkDpS7bqEesnuTymA4clTjrjZfDC9glXObovIggSBco+NulncFYpEzj+ KOKQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXw5zP8Ob4niojTZQUDDx8jXl4KRWqoNkcBLbVrBzMJDpKx3W5A 8B+W9EHZIubuGO4mSq/9sHYVcHS3dMeNurMz3xIP8g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwiE3OD0lA/v/Y8+yEl14uFDGUapwYaCji/NcTRB8Z/vlZ6O1QiTQfUaKbca0vngzeptB2vZk7eVAjFNGWhTXk= X-Received: by 2002:aca:dc45:: with SMTP id t66mr8620805oig.84.1558035336325; Thu, 16 May 2019 12:35:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20190516182628.kbkiajfnlooocgyg@momjian.us> <20190516190806.GA14121@alvherre.pgsql> In-Reply-To: <20190516190806.GA14121@alvherre.pgsql> From: Peter Geoghegan Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 12:35:25 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: PostgreSQL 12: Feature Highlights To: Alvaro Herrera Cc: Bruce Momjian , Amit Langote , David Rowley , "Jonathan S. Katz" , PostgreSQL Advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Precedence: bulk On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 12:08 PM Alvaro Herrera wrote: > I don't understand why you want to make things such black boxes. It is > what it is, and some users (not all) will want to understand. People > who have already tested pg11 and found it insufficient may give pg12 a > second look if we tell them we have fixed the deficiencies they found. +1. The major features list should be accessible, but otherwise I think that we should add more detail. 80% - 90% of the items listed in the release notes aren't interesting to users, but *which* 80% - 90% it is varies. The release notes don't have to function as a press release, because we'll have an actual press release instead. -- Peter Geoghegan