Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1q705n-0001pW-SR for pgsql-advocacy@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2023 20:49:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1q705m-0001Ab-CG for pgsql-advocacy@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2023 20:49:18 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1q705m-0001AS-0H for pgsql-advocacy@lists.postgresql.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2023 20:49:18 +0000 Received: from mail-qv1-xf30.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::f30]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1q705a-000ltV-0c for pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2023 20:49:16 +0000 Received: by mail-qv1-xf30.google.com with SMTP id 6a1803df08f44-62b699b88e1so11930126d6.1 for ; Wed, 07 Jun 2023 13:49:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=systemguards-com-ec.20221208.gappssmtp.com; s=20221208; t=1686170945; x=1688762945; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=rRgAlZWjDpAqtlNTTgubZmsC58ackQuSjCR2PG7vQRo=; b=sYYG67b9flgBZRxNjYr9VlYRIit3wv8RhUDtOGLEmn57LIVwfs+LcOVhNS3QLtPTaB zkh3mGC6Q/OM6SD+2VxiLLv7nsz/GtG3W38m3tMbTUgzMbz/Whcn0Ffa/5vdvDxQiPMp 9qCSEHHF8fAloKIw9L91Ts4WE8gUhsLn2ePYNEaGKU1GSVKe3NqQkiSGUCwomjsVzxuc 10wkGobWAhYsJcfI/wPE1lwK0Os9qUKzzp84vjR2ATn3BchAZUB2rdpwvqrvsRaz+qnZ kvbMVXF59UebsfkW0Uh1pkMaq/hkBJmK74ly2IMb/9hICMKUSZvzPBTuny+IXnY9O4OO /p9A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1686170945; x=1688762945; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=rRgAlZWjDpAqtlNTTgubZmsC58ackQuSjCR2PG7vQRo=; b=E1/xY73OaAqGUds7NhbqKq3gSyIRczYjHJVA07ngAFjDm0WBXHf5nRBtBfZjHR4NKq miTP9Iw3aJh03HXw90dMAWxgn3+YZsJE4mMnK9aM/sydO0Io9G8g0PrmhdkpjSFfkMUU XlZYrRpgmXQiS7x659390HQoAwUKEEL3pfYkyB5IVnFErpkgvBiooM+CC3SbbJSfCX69 UI0mxxyOnCY6HBhei1PnBEcLXeB0Lw5d6PWCq4WJjiWHBP0d8hp3jkkh7V/7n5Y6HAMj 09HZlMTp4/kf4nYo/dbJhmMu1avOBUYYIfQmyNorsgSUPmqcGLZgWJJQf8NvXh/I/a82 l7bQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDwO96pOIS4orSYsdmprFnnRjIfuYbJByM1/o73UJ9NqBpEUkXjq ppBvSUYlnGAVLdPOPDlJxVMpsDow7xT6FeMMxpoI9luxe9qpj3AVUHY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ5v1xOmGFGUaYmRuGHg1aJ0WSAxF6A6hcAbOTMhVptmBT1oWbO45zUJXXEQfD6/LYywqV28b9DAnzbspT/pSC4= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:e8a:b0:625:aa49:19ee with SMTP id hf10-20020a0562140e8a00b00625aa4919eemr4106146qvb.59.1686170944993; Wed, 07 Jun 2023 13:49:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20230606.103516.395571408093366645.t-ishii@sranhm.sra.co.jp> In-Reply-To: <20230606.103516.395571408093366645.t-ishii@sranhm.sra.co.jp> From: Jaime Casanova Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 15:48:53 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: RFC: a new try for an official community approved certification To: Tatsuo Ishii Cc: pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org, adrian.klaver@aklaver.com, kaplan.valeria@gmail.com, davecramer@postgres.rocks, gunnar.bluth@pro-open.de, kmcmi046@uottawa.ca, guillaume@lelarge.info, chris@1006.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 8:35=E2=80=AFPM Tatsuo Ishii wr= ote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > Thanks for your comments. Mine was a long trip to return to Ecuador > > and then I had a lot of pending things to do. > > > > First, let me mention the good ideas I read on this thread: > > > > - Gunnar and Chris suggested that we could ask a NPO that is already > > successfully doing a cert, namely LPI. Do any of you have a contact > > there to ask this? > > I have a contact to LPI-Japan. Can you clarify what questions/requests > you want to ask them? > I think what scares people the most is about the security, meaning that if the cert is somewhat community-made how they keep the questions not public, I guess part of the solution was already explained in which companies using a software are the ones making the standard (with users having to log in). Probably other questions have to do with the method to take the exams, actually once the exam is online (no controlled environment, which is the way most companies do it I guess) no matter what we do people can reveal the questions just by taking pictures or video of the screen. ANother question was about who oversees the process, probably about the organization of all this. Basically what we need is some guidance about all of it ;) --=20 Jaime Casanova Director de Servicios Profesionales SYSTEMGUARDS - Consultores de PostgreSQL