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From: "David G. Johnston" <david.g.johnston@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2025 18:48:19 -0700
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Subject: Re: Inquiry Regarding Professional Support Listing for Ukraine -
 InDevLab LLC
To: "Jonathan S. Katz" <jkatz@postgresql.org>
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	"webmaster@postgresql.org" <webmaster@postgresql.org>,
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This seems to amount to a policy of proving a negative - that no other
competitive vendors exist thus permitting an alternative acquisition
process.  Seems like whomever is asking for this evidence should be the one
saying that another vendor exists and therfore both you and them need to
abide by the normal process.

The absebce of any other companies on the website is not itself evidence of
non-existence.

If you want something a bit more conclusive I=E2=80=99d ask on the -general=
 mailing
list whether anyone knows of any such companies besides those listed at the
aforementioned web page.  Those emails are archived, publicly accessible,
and timestamped.  It provides a better attempt at proving the negative than
your original request.

David J.


On Thursday, September 18, 2025, Jonathan S. Katz <jkatz@postgresql.org>
wrote:

> Hi Max,
>
> The professional services listing page is only a listing, not an
> endorsement of services[1]. Further, the PostgreSQL trademark policy[2]
> prevents organizations from officially claiming endorsement from the
> PostgreSQL community. Unfortunately, we can't provide this requested lett=
er.
>
> On 9/17/25 7:34 AM, yashma77@outlook.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Therefore, we would be extremely grateful if you could provide us with a
>> formal letter or an official email confirming a simple, verifiable fact:
>> /that as of the current date, InDevLab LLC is the only company listed un=
der
>> the 'Ukraine' section on the Professional Support page of the
>> postgresql.org website./
>
>

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<div>This seems to amount to a policy of proving a negative - that no other=
 competitive vendors exist thus permitting an alternative acquisition proce=
ss.=C2=A0 Seems like whomever is asking for this evidence should be the one=
 saying that another vendor exists and therfore both you and them need to a=
bide by the normal process.</div><div><br></div><div>The absebce of any oth=
er companies on the website is not itself evidence of non-existence.</div><=
div><br></div><div>If you want something a bit more conclusive I=E2=80=99d =
ask on the -general mailing list whether anyone knows of any such companies=
 besides those listed at the aforementioned web page.=C2=A0 Those emails ar=
e archived, publicly accessible, and timestamped.=C2=A0 It provides a bette=
r attempt at proving the negative than your original request.</div><div><br=
></div><div>David J.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>On Thursday, Septem=
ber 18, 2025, Jonathan S. Katz &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jkatz@postgresql.org">=
jkatz@postgresql.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Ma=
x,<br>
<br>
The professional services listing page is only a listing, not an endorsemen=
t of services[1]. Further, the PostgreSQL trademark policy[2] prevents orga=
nizations from officially claiming endorsement from the PostgreSQL communit=
y. Unfortunately, we can&#39;t provide this requested letter.<br>
<br>On 9/17/25 7:34 AM, <a href=3D"mailto:yashma77@outlook.com" target=3D"_=
blank">yashma77@outlook.com</a> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
Therefore, we would be extremely grateful if you could provide us with a fo=
rmal letter or an official email confirming a simple, verifiable fact: /tha=
t as of the current date, InDevLab LLC is the only company listed under the=
 &#39;Ukraine&#39; section on the Professional Support page of the <a href=
=3D"http://postgresql.org" target=3D"_blank">postgresql.org</a> website./</=
blockquote>
</blockquote>

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