Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ioiks-0002KU-Tz for pgsql-advocacy@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2020 06:54:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ioikr-000806-Lm for pgsql-advocacy@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2020 06:54:17 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ioikr-0007xC-7r for pgsql-advocacy@lists.postgresql.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2020 06:54:17 +0000 Received: from mail-il1-x143.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::143]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ioiko-00062J-2H; Tue, 07 Jan 2020 06:54:16 +0000 Received: by mail-il1-x143.google.com with SMTP id s15so44910309iln.1; Mon, 06 Jan 2020 22:54:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=3/wVWAS6d8gYCNVqSHrX+cFYnzbfSGjBDWhJmV73Cn8=; b=YsSK59uhzuqzh2R5UAWCpCW1Qze4+Twudw/e543HniD0DzprlR6eenKaGLE9Ct5M3b JFuCJNGJmAETaL28LSddG0d5chYDdUzpfg8xCfBfhcY3IaZu6ayp0d1fVb90arjetoMJ P+Of+HAWOEx2j/ggqF4TWwP2TKP+I/Zhoe75iF+qCDIHCSSeBOGHGLfgtvJKtBmKfjF+ SfZOb0rvWUAKjJnxAjH0M596aXfZ51CimzsVLP9gS3aZD8wZqjvqItitCMju+nGJ5OtI 4eSAFzxU1jsy9SV280p2aLcgMRh1tK53Rqm1LMNzKwDoWa4Trr/e+8R7t/NeAv2Kvoj/ FYgA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=3/wVWAS6d8gYCNVqSHrX+cFYnzbfSGjBDWhJmV73Cn8=; b=m7GX6LI70cR5hsMsrl6+81uxytADEBxsSnDCM34BQ5FZP5RJM5wNh5eseWiE1yW6O8 hFr/JJ/fY+mQLZ6DzVxGmOyAKWu8HzdPkx5vF3F70x53lifMoeGV1IyEjNX947cNTeiH qNasj6oKxXpH0bnVFOAJ497+8Z83L7myNviYva7U7ZCY+M9iwR5BONiNMKgJipeRaB3f VAB989aPqpj/YM9/yTsw3SubanVntmcJCwNXo21VP0iPmzqBUw6KvXOMrUxW3OyX+4Kh 7x34R7eY+ck5cP5M5UhlGw2x+GAMyW8lEzGLTHL/rsumlkAR8qOqnBk4hq/fAPQr2sz/ HhMw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXvrrybDj7Ebm77rFdJF8lOf7A5/Kv0VENl8zkWJh7veTBB2hk5 dgP4181unBnJ3Hor6kyo6F4sTSClFJwzImLKjHu5Zbj2+xc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwngBi8x/4qKLhn9dsKaoZb3qIWi6tza6X3Ux+FoRjtP6Qk/pys38WrkkdiOSeTFdU0iVqkBlcGN3SWHaSpNKw= X-Received: by 2002:a92:8141:: with SMTP id e62mr88857904ild.119.1578380052669; Mon, 06 Jan 2020 22:54:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <11071F61-8BD5-444B-9138-DE87A6D72B18@ucdconnect.ie> <89BCD13B-D23C-4349-B062-03A7FB8CF11F@ucdconnect.ie> In-Reply-To: From: Umair Shahid Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 11:54:01 +0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Local User Groups To: "Jonathan S. Katz" Cc: Dave Cramer , Valeria Kaplan , usergroups@postgresql.org, Magnus Hagander , Paul Ramsey , =?UTF-8?B?S2VyZW0gS8SxesSxbHR1bsOn?= , Renee Phillips , Jan Karremans , Chris Travers , Laetitia Avrot , "Teresa.Giacomini" , Ervin Weber , Joe Conway , Stacey Haysler , Katherine Mcmillan , Sebastiaan Mannem , Claire Giordano , Stephen Frost , Catherine Souque , Steven Pousty , PostgreSQL Advocacy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000005c2a9a059b873e28" List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Precedence: bulk --0000000000005c2a9a059b873e28 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 9:59 PM Jonathan S. Katz wrote: > Hi, > > On 1/6/20 8:12 AM, Dave Cramer wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 04:57, Valeria Kaplan > > wrote: > > > > Hi Umair, > > > > Thanks for sending this to Manoj, this is a super useful page. > > Do you know if there is a particular reason why this info is not on > > the main website? > > > > I think it's super useful, so maybe we could put it > > here: https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/ or at least > > provide a link to wiki (I guess, it depends whether or not we would > > liek to keep using wiki for instructions like that - I personally, > > think we shouldn't since only those who are already involved in the > > community would be aware of wiki, others will most probably look for > > information like that on the main website.). > > > > All, > > what do you think? > > > > > > Personally I find the wiki a terrible place to put anything. It is only > > useful if you know that what you are searching for exists and you have > > some vague notion of how to search for it. > > > > +1 for the main page > > I think the idea for this page being on the wiki was that it allowed for > changes to be made over time, e.g. if there was a new idea for how to do > something, a clarification, etc. It also has not been updated since 2015. > > That said, I would not be opposed to adding something on the website for > how to start a user group, etc. but I think we need to ensure we have > some "final" language we've agreed to. It's (relatively) easier to > modify a Wiki page than the website. > > Perhaps an interim step is to link to the wiki page from the website? We > can then work on what we would want the "user group operating manual" > page to say on the website, and once ready, commit that. > I think something as simple as "Looking to start a new User Group? Here's how ... " on this page: https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/ would do the trick. > > Thanks, > > Jonathan > > > --0000000000005c2a9a059b873e28 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


=
On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 9:59 PM Jonath= an S. Katz <jkatz@postgresql.org= > wrote:
= Hi,

On 1/6/20 8:12 AM, Dave Cramer wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 04:57, Valeria Kaplan <vk@dataegret.com
> <mailto:vk@da= taegret.com>> wrote:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Hi Umair,
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks for sending this to Manoj, this is a super u= seful page.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Do you know if there is a particular reason why thi= s info is not on
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the main website?
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I think it's super useful, so maybe we could pu= t it
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0here:=C2=A0https://www.post= gresql.org/community/user-groups/=C2=A0or at least
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0provide a link to wiki (I guess, it depends whether= or not we would
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0liek to keep using wiki for instructions like that = - I personally,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0think we shouldn't since only those who are alr= eady involved in the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0community would be aware of wiki, others will most = probably look for
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0information like that on the main website.).=C2=A0<= br> >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0All,=C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0what do you think?
>
>
> Personally I find the wiki a terrible place to put anything. It is onl= y
> useful if you know that what you are searching for exists and you have=
> some vague notion of how to search for it.=C2=A0
>
> +1 for the main page

I think the idea for this page being on the wiki was that it allowed for changes to be made over time, e.g. if there was a new idea for how to do something, a clarification, etc. It also has not been updated since 2015.
That said, I would not be opposed to adding something on the website for how to start a user group, etc. but I think we need to ensure we have
some "final" language we've agreed to. It's (relatively) = easier to
modify a Wiki page than the website.

Perhaps an interim step is to link to the wiki page from the website? We can then work on what we would want the "user group operating manual&q= uot;
page to say on the website, and once ready, commit that.

I think something as simple as "Looking to start a n= ew User Group? Here's how ... " on this page:=C2=A0https://www.postgresql.org/c= ommunity/user-groups/=C2=A0would do the trick.=C2=A0
=C2=A0

Thanks,

Jonathan


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