Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1j94jg-0007D1-V8 for pgsql-advocacy@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 03 Mar 2020 10:25:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1j94jf-0005Pe-4b for pgsql-advocacy@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 03 Mar 2020 10:25:11 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1j94je-0005PW-B6 for pgsql-advocacy@lists.postgresql.org; Tue, 03 Mar 2020 10:25:10 +0000 Received: from mail-io1-xd42.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::d42]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1j94jW-00076l-Ao for pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org; Tue, 03 Mar 2020 10:25:08 +0000 Received: by mail-io1-xd42.google.com with SMTP id x21so2908524iox.13 for ; Tue, 03 Mar 2020 02:25:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dataegret-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Eqwd7EAiZz2V5grH+xG1PJGAcOPyekyz+YY7uIGnhhE=; b=jq7uF2qSmZxKOuWZMRNDXAmEdg1ZVPrFBY+rB6/vk4BwxbFyIIhhoAJ+JbQw2i3rji SBVXPL7CIrqLIxOcPGN31oQv7MtmEKfO1ljkPZEXPXeURnIYjQ7sO7rAZ6X0CRJiwiL4 b7JO+E5nRQeNP+R7sCzwMOjHp2JlEPf5NBbD0KcxKfIE9/LH8dVnuHzabrU8cCawH9SC Kn/F4JZ96CjYdWdpsVT3jCDXs/hn0NF7VHLlTWigYLkgAmZr4I28+oEmgq/GCdlKedzf +E3zWSirUnxwbYNnZTKvubIqzJAppfC30B9uRLOviDerHHexEaigx1FtPsCACQbgNHfI yzqA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Eqwd7EAiZz2V5grH+xG1PJGAcOPyekyz+YY7uIGnhhE=; b=H9jM3FJObPm0vCzAepFahmCkTTSFdsheBv/Tiqagjl49XqyFX6TxlUDYaUqMel6Vut JMrpRlqEyG58OzxsrdsocSnXpaXCb+9TTrBi672aYyzIU0sJKdvSp0aS8lwhlSxR8G4r 7j8/gTkWeCstSLfmr2z6+/ec1ThMLTDsif6uv9vHeY9kO/C4qpdmtvjbsNSW6kyAEEhQ 5MLzFaUXOEgbb3zreg8n8rAwkcqM6sktGd6g0HKrHdvXU4QfHCnu9NkZoFlIju7NuzLw YD5aEkyjjcV0TlhC8JmpVX6HdMiz3WyU8hOfVfThj7UvVzDZUXIL9rOFwLCie7IV4ejZ ZByA== X-Gm-Message-State: ANhLgQ1FGq7jtNw06jZ51Aryx4qp48OeWf1HOQMwOUNV9TIbRDeJwwrF raF9nSGJTVnTjY1IMZv8jyBqfCSykf/w7xEH9mRnZGDIhXc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADFU+vtUgltKXkTAvd0r0AvbSkhA1jsQCJ0en0cDYShhMBYjCiCl2215DVjqwt5l1rlsGtKjU7AdUI2lwK2KZwen/+U= X-Received: by 2002:a02:c815:: with SMTP id p21mr3393644jao.20.1583231101367; Tue, 03 Mar 2020 02:25:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <11071F61-8BD5-444B-9138-DE87A6D72B18@ucdconnect.ie> <89BCD13B-D23C-4349-B062-03A7FB8CF11F@ucdconnect.ie> In-Reply-To: From: Valeria Kaplan Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 10:24:50 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Local User Groups - advocacy To: PostgreSQL Advocacy , usergroups@postgresql.org Cc: "Jonathan S. Katz" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000650e1b059ff0b7f1" List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Precedence: bulk --000000000000650e1b059ff0b7f1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi All, I think my email (below) fell between the cracks, but we still need to address the issue of not having any information about setting up and running meetups on postgres.org, so if there are no comments about the updated wiki page text (see my email below) I'd suggest that myself and Johnathan (if you have time, Johnathan) finalise it and add it to the website to keep the ball rolling. Thanks, Valeria On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:04 PM Valeria Kaplan wrote: > Hi Jonathan, All, > > To take our discussion on this thread further, I went through the content > on the wiki page and rewrote it a bit. > https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/UserGroupOperatingManual > > I made five sections, keeping in mind what I'd see going on the > postgres.org website PUG page > : > > 1. Small blurb at the top (see under *creating a new user group*) > 2. *Starting your PUG* (guides you through the process of creating all > needed resources and announcing the group to the community) > 3. *Holding your first meetup* (talks about different organisational > aspects of a meetup, how to get funding, and where to announce) > 4. *Holding more meetings *(a general guidance on holding meetup series) > 5. *Useful links *(this needs more links, examples of active user group > pages, checklists, articles about choosing topics for PUG meetings and how > to run them. *If anyone has good examples for it, could you please ad the > link to the wiki * > https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/UserGroupOperatingManual#Useful_Links *or send > it to this thread and I'll add*.) > > I left Notes and Brain Dump, they do have some useful nuggets of > information, but I think it'd be too much for the website. > > *It definitely needs a proof, so if anyone can help with that it would be > great.* > > Once on the website, I have a few ideas that could bring this section of > the website to live a bit more (an animation to explain the process and > maybe series of video interviews with those who have experience organising > PUG meetings)... "You may say I`m a dreamer; but I`m not the only one." :) > > Cheers, > Valeria > > > On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 4:59 PM Jonathan S. Katz > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> On 1/6/20 8:12 AM, Dave Cramer wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 04:57, Valeria Kaplan > > > wrote: >> > >> > Hi Umair, >> > >> > Thanks for sending this to Manoj, this is a super useful page. >> > Do you know if there is a particular reason why this info is not on >> > the main website? >> > >> > I think it's super useful, so maybe we could put it >> > here: https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/ or at least >> > provide a link to wiki (I guess, it depends whether or not we would >> > liek to keep using wiki for instructions like that - I personally, >> > think we shouldn't since only those who are already involved in the >> > community would be aware of wiki, others will most probably look for >> > information like that on the main website.). >> > >> > All, >> > what do you think? >> > >> > >> > Personally I find the wiki a terrible place to put anything. It is only >> > useful if you know that what you are searching for exists and you have >> > some vague notion of how to search for it. >> > >> > +1 for the main page >> >> I think the idea for this page being on the wiki was that it allowed for >> changes to be made over time, e.g. if there was a new idea for how to do >> something, a clarification, etc. It also has not been updated since 2015. >> >> That said, I would not be opposed to adding something on the website for >> how to start a user group, etc. but I think we need to ensure we have >> some "final" language we've agreed to. It's (relatively) easier to >> modify a Wiki page than the website. >> >> Perhaps an interim step is to link to the wiki page from the website? We >> can then work on what we would want the "user group operating manual" >> page to say on the website, and once ready, commit that. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jonathan >> > --000000000000650e1b059ff0b7f1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All,

I think my email (below) fell between the c= racks, but we still need to address the issue of not having any information= about setting up and running meetups on po= stgres.org, so if there are no comments about the updated wiki page text (see my email below) I'd suggest that myself and Johnathan (if you hav= e time, Johnathan) finalise it and add it to the website to keep the ball r= olling.

Thanks,
Valeria

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:04 PM Valeria Kap= lan <vk@dataegret.com> wrote:=
Hi=C2=A0Jonathan, All,

<= div dir=3D"ltr">To take our discussion on this thread=C2=A0further, I went = through the content on the wiki page and rewrote it a bit.=C2=A0

I made five sections, = keeping in mind what I'd see going on the postgres.org website PUG page:
=
1. Small blurb at the top (see under creating a new user = group)=C2=A0
2. Starting your PUG (guides you through = the process of creating all needed resources and announcing the group to th= e community)
3. Holding your first meetup (talks about dif= ferent organisational aspects of a meetup, how to get funding, and where to= announce)
4. Holding more meetings (a general guidance on= holding meetup series)
5. Useful links (this needs more l= inks, examples of active user group pages, checklists, articles=C2=A0about = choosing topics for PUG meetings and how to run them. If anyone has good examples for it, could you please ad the link to t= he wiki=C2=A0https://wiki.postgresql.o= rg/wiki/UserGroupOperatingManual#Useful_Links=C2=A0or=C2=A0send it to this thread and I'll add.)

I left Notes and Brain Dump, they do have some useful nug= gets of information, but I think it'd be too much for the website.=C2= =A0

It definitely needs= a proof, so if anyone can help with that it would be great.

Once on the website, I have a few ideas that could br= ing this section of the website to live a bit more (an animation to explain= the process and maybe series of video interviews with those who have exper= ience organising PUG meetings)... "You may say I`m a dreamer; but I`m = not the only one." :)=C2=A0

Cheers,
Valeria


On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 4:59 PM Jonathan S. Katz <= jkatz@postgresql.= org> wrote:
Hi,

On 1/6/20 8:12 AM, Dave Cramer wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 04:57, Valeria Kaplan <vk@dataegret.com
> <mailto:vk@da= taegret.com>> wrote:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Hi Umair,
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks for sending this to Manoj, this is a super u= seful page.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Do you know if there is a particular reason why thi= s info is not on
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the main website?
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I think it's super useful, so maybe we could pu= t it
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0here:=C2=A0https://www.post= gresql.org/community/user-groups/=C2=A0or at least
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0provide a link to wiki (I guess, it depends whether= or not we would
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0liek to keep using wiki for instructions like that = - I personally,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0think we shouldn't since only those who are alr= eady involved in the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0community would be aware of wiki, others will most = probably look for
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0information like that on the main website.).=C2=A0<= br> >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0All,=C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0what do you think?
>
>
> Personally I find the wiki a terrible place to put anything. It is onl= y
> useful if you know that what you are searching for exists and you have=
> some vague notion of how to search for it.=C2=A0
>
> +1 for the main page

I think the idea for this page being on the wiki was that it allowed for changes to be made over time, e.g. if there was a new idea for how to do something, a clarification, etc. It also has not been updated since 2015.
That said, I would not be opposed to adding something on the website for how to start a user group, etc. but I think we need to ensure we have
some "final" language we've agreed to. It's (relatively) = easier to
modify a Wiki page than the website.

Perhaps an interim step is to link to the wiki page from the website? We can then work on what we would want the "user group operating manual&q= uot;
page to say on the website, and once ready, commit that.

Thanks,

Jonathan
--000000000000650e1b059ff0b7f1--