Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ion3e-0001l8-62 for pgsql-advocacy@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2020 11:29:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ion3c-0002cW-PT for pgsql-advocacy@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2020 11:29:56 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ion3c-0002cN-A0 for pgsql-advocacy@lists.postgresql.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2020 11:29:56 +0000 Received: from mail-il1-x141.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::141]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ion3X-000881-D4 for pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2020 11:29:54 +0000 Received: by mail-il1-x141.google.com with SMTP id t17so45366718ilm.13 for ; Tue, 07 Jan 2020 03:29:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dataegret-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=aOy8AHhoh83FHWia9j2aKbEO+xVQEXGjAvI3RAboSNA=; b=CWvSRGk6WaO/Q7jb6TbpbJWetpS7KdlzBOPD+A5pT3IpbjPfSjOLcDD1rF308pyKIA VfPbZWfDUiB96Lc08WMn69qYrC7VDkKqgEYT523UTWw+8rTNfuA6qlWCTpbYB6OLI68G cJY4Q0Q0PnBL60HSivuRNW6nnteyQ92ozUbde2a0/hthC0VpLAqMp02C6THNNS7g3sJy 9OiY/ADzXzb5PpT1plgLBRKaCgClzmBJFfN82/CpE5E6zrL0hfu4QKuvjY443C9XyTe5 gwwnIzvg5zWeledu7+bfE6OTD+UNvHkP9tOeeBmcel0WbX2odjJbsAQyHLVNeVtqVFzt mjCQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=aOy8AHhoh83FHWia9j2aKbEO+xVQEXGjAvI3RAboSNA=; b=gTzxhIvszb0rVk2518Aiga0iNUEiF/FsbsEw+sEQt9L2b1z5L7CL9+/fYZKrVO/Ed7 uZcVQ+w2oxtMgUGM9RfWyOSh+/5uSAwWx2YTocZDAqJq9+SLlcU+oIfU8uAhjWF1r+Zj k7+8/7tO29E097TNrkr9W5ATFiPEnBnTZuclLrrverqYllCw4GGE5bWPXDmicvSGLAE/ //+F8+NsJArdn+mEK4vtp5n9gMVTy3qn4wNL26sxyDHe/DDIKp8fBj/hAr54f+qI8w3l orpYy3hXL5+kKpxBSPeXuz3DzjWEAVSVjr7cgGz1X+V7qGzIhWMIvBUdLj8zifH2BWgT AHSQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUtVX1DaenUXs20hMHcnbkfCYOaBM/80RXudbl52KH1XGGkKYw5 9n50KTxPEB/8DmslDdi9i7okwtEb5hImkVH+FEoPLg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxY6m7YG8nYMxPCbBvj6MryHF20HTpzagG8gY4ZOHNN5UMQ5wIckTBzKRB2hT52AyofKVcLQL8C5Tse9wY1CMM= X-Received: by 2002:a92:9184:: with SMTP id e4mr93887947ill.70.1578396590749; Tue, 07 Jan 2020 03:29:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <11071F61-8BD5-444B-9138-DE87A6D72B18@ucdconnect.ie> <89BCD13B-D23C-4349-B062-03A7FB8CF11F@ucdconnect.ie> In-Reply-To: From: Valeria Kaplan Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 11:29:36 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Local User Groups To: Umair Shahid Cc: "Jonathan S. Katz" , Dave Cramer , usergroups@postgresql.org, Magnus Hagander , Paul Ramsey , =?UTF-8?B?S2VyZW0gS8SxesSxbHR1bsOn?= , Renee Phillips , Jan Karremans , Chris Travers , Laetitia Avrot , "Teresa.Giacomini" , Ervin Weber , Joe Conway , Stacey Haysler , Katherine Mcmillan , Sebastiaan Mannem , Claire Giordano , Stephen Frost , Catherine Souque , Steven Pousty , PostgreSQL Advocacy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000001b50c8059b8b18dd" List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Precedence: bulk --0000000000001b50c8059b8b18dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Sounds good, Let's put a link "Looking to start a new User Group? Here's how. " to this page: https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/ Quick question, Happy to look into phrasing on wiki, however, I don't actually have access to edit there. Do you know who can help with that? thanks, Valeria On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:54 AM Umair Shahid wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 9:59 PM Jonathan S. Katz > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> On 1/6/20 8:12 AM, Dave Cramer wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 04:57, Valeria Kaplan > > > wrote: >> > >> > Hi Umair, >> > >> > Thanks for sending this to Manoj, this is a super useful page. >> > Do you know if there is a particular reason why this info is not on >> > the main website? >> > >> > I think it's super useful, so maybe we could put it >> > here: https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/ or at least >> > provide a link to the wiki (I guess, it depends whether or not we >> would >> > like to keep using wiki for instructions like that - I personally, >> > think we shouldn't since only those who are already involved in the >> > community would be aware of wiki, others will most probably look for >> > information like that on the main website.). >> > >> > All, >> > what do you think? >> > >> > >> > Personally I find the wiki a terrible place to put anything. It is only >> > useful if you know that what you are searching for exists and you have >> > some vague notion of how to search for it. >> > >> > +1 for the main page >> >> I think the idea for this page being on the wiki was that it allowed for >> changes to be made over time, e.g. if there was a new idea for how to do >> something, a clarification, etc. It also has not been updated since 2015. >> >> That said, I would not be opposed to adding something on the website for >> how to start a user group, etc. but I think we need to ensure we have >> some "final" language we've agreed to. It's (relatively) easier to >> modify a Wiki page than the website. >> >> Perhaps an interim step is to link to the wiki page from the website? We >> can then work on what we would want the "user group operating manual" >> page to say on the website, and once ready, commit that. >> > > I think something as simple as "Looking to start a new User Group? Here's > how ... " on this page: https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/ would > do the trick. > > >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jonathan >> >> >> --0000000000001b50c8059b8b18dd Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sounds good,

Let's put a link "Looking to start a new User= Group? Here's how. " to this page: https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-gr= oups/

Quick question,
Happy to look into phrasing on wiki,= however, I don't actually have access to edit there. Do you know who c= an help with that?=C2=A0

thanks,
Valeria=

On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:54 AM Um= air Shahid <umair.shahid@gmail= .com> wrote:


On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 9:59 PM Jo= nathan S. Katz <jkatz@postgresql.org> wrote:
Hi,

On 1/6/20 8:12 AM, Dave Cramer wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 04:57, Valeria Kaplan <vk@dataegret.com
> <mailto:vk@da= taegret.com>> wrote:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Hi Umair,
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks for sending this to Manoj, this is a super u= seful page.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Do you know if there is a particular reason why thi= s info is not on
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the main website?
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I think it's super useful, so maybe we could pu= t it
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0here:=C2=A0https://www.post= gresql.org/community/user-groups/=C2=A0or at least
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0provide a link to the wiki (I guess, it depends whe= ther or not we would
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0like to keep using wiki for instructions like that = - I personally,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0think we shouldn't since only those who are alr= eady involved in the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0community would be aware of wiki, others will most = probably look for
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0information like that on the main website.).=C2=A0<= br> >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0All,=C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0what do you think?
>
>
> Personally I find the wiki a terrible place to put anything. It is onl= y
> useful if you know that what you are searching for exists and you have=
> some vague notion of how to search for it.=C2=A0
>
> +1 for the main page

I think the idea for this page being on the wiki was that it allowed for changes to be made over time, e.g. if there was a new idea for how to do something, a clarification, etc. It also has not been updated since 2015.
That said, I would not be opposed to adding something on the website for how to start a user group, etc. but I think we need to ensure we have
some "final" language we've agreed to. It's (relatively) = easier to
modify a Wiki page than the website.

Perhaps an interim step is to link to the wiki page from the website? We can then work on what we would want the "user group operating manual&q= uot;
page to say on the website, and once ready, commit that.

I think something as simple as "Looking to start a n= ew User Group? Here's how ... " on this page:=C2=A0https://ww= w.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/=C2=A0would do the trick.=C2=A0<= /div>
=C2=A0

Thanks,

Jonathan


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