Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ieN2u-00021D-O4 for pgsql-advocacy@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 09 Dec 2019 17:42:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ieN2t-00085V-Gc for pgsql-advocacy@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 09 Dec 2019 17:42:07 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ieLhX-00039P-5C for pgsql-advocacy@lists.postgresql.org; Mon, 09 Dec 2019 16:15:59 +0000 Received: from mail-qv1-xf32.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::f32]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ieLhT-0004e6-NL for pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org; Mon, 09 Dec 2019 16:15:58 +0000 Received: by mail-qv1-xf32.google.com with SMTP id o18so2857414qvf.1 for ; Mon, 09 Dec 2019 08:15:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=content-transfer-encoding:from:mime-version:date:message-id:subject :references:in-reply-to:to:cc; bh=k/Dy3d4aNJ+WDnn7f+RGXwUmdGMifH9dDWBv/3hR+YE=; b=ECdPOEzlUkSjLdik4AJCHLnj44/Oxsrpb113bhH4hoq1U8zjOVyIDOh0W200Iqv6HG DhEPbkn29WPPH7+3wrcXTgUUwnj3YyAvM2VEjj439gS93EwGpMfoRxiji6hB/SaX6u+x Uq5Mch417gcgB0Hjx9CN0KaHy0WaeG9cglhQuFZO+Gh1zZSOi8OevORPhYjPQ9RzIF/x vLcO4T6V/ztUwMQiNML+b1wDuVymyMAVOremNhaOACqK4bO1UfZGZDfPzzxoMQ5Vbr2R v0f/vLY4yR0rMQ+Jn36ORNxMVHzLNLnTsLOWTNRnDtHa7873mjw3GX2VqMI4jLm6NpYK tCNQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:content-transfer-encoding:from:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:references:in-reply-to:to:cc; bh=k/Dy3d4aNJ+WDnn7f+RGXwUmdGMifH9dDWBv/3hR+YE=; b=Nx9kTJyHygAXP0JCj9YBmHD1NjBm589HCWCO12dSlU+o8bT1kGcZvU5LMxPZjWKMRw Al2+9lDHK1kxL8bvs5QfADLwDzDL8ofgKeZfB7lWft1TG9VURY2ZUyQXZcJTTeWgtZ+y 8Gmai/XhqSVGQWPPt+FyqRIrDPsyuwPKMynTeyIpfv9FCuR5Ltb5PjEmVtOFUeI95zOs Bhy2qMT16/yK5ssKciGWCk7vE8+y6btv0UHB8WE5uZ9QndO4yDOq5yeH+P73uFx/x2n8 KDpxyYE3QLeZWq2ticuzHK2N1DJerzjDyfr1O4yxs0IlTfFzV+q2EdPuwzdMAHn2ASYc pkBQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXcD1qhWhfj2gkMKu82cPkStN/mDpF194PemW1sGdkT/TcCHgya v1AKDIdO/9s1YJNarM57mWM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqz9IqB2fBRLn8tVCZdF3ltNA7MD5nrn/cwpaboXv/pQFusnyGotTOrninOw1E2J452ngW4Ciw== X-Received: by 2002:a0c:8605:: with SMTP id p5mr24066676qva.109.1575908153474; Mon, 09 Dec 2019 08:15:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.74.86.205] ([192.160.131.42]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e21sm2215522qkm.55.2019.12.09.08.15.52 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 09 Dec 2019 08:15:52 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7EFF7F5D-F9A1-47C6-BFDA-EEF7278DB838 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: BFarrell915 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 11:15:51 -0500 Message-Id: Subject: Re: Slonik! References: In-Reply-To: To: Valeria Kaplan Cc: Jan Karremans , Ray O'Donnell , pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (17A878) List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Precedence: bulk --Apple-Mail-7EFF7F5D-F9A1-47C6-BFDA-EEF7278DB838 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Valeria, My goal is just to have some fun and test my skills! I saw that old diamond l= ogo and the idea popped into my head. I thought it was at least an interesti= ng idea so I thought I would share. It may very well be that there is no need for a logo redesign! But I do feel= my design does have some advantages over the current logo, namely scalabili= ty. The design also has a more modern and sleek look; which may not be the d= irection PostreSQL wants to take, but I don=E2=80=99t think it can hurt to s= park a conversation.=20 Reguards, Bryan >> On Dec 6, 2019, at 15:24, Valeria Kaplan wrote: > =EF=BB=BF > Thank you for developing it, Bryan! >=20 > The first question I had seeing this, what are we trying to achieve by cre= ating a new logo for Postgres. I think current logo established itself well a= nd is very recognisable among other logos in the industry. Changing it would= mean that we might risk losing this recognition, especially when many Postg= res initiatives have logos based on the official Postgres elephant (attached= ).=20 >=20 > Overall, I think that if there is a feeling in the community that we need t= o address a particular issue in Postgres perception and this logo would be p= art of a larger change (in the community or the database itself) then a revi= sion of the logo may be justified.=20 >=20 > Kind regards, > Valeria >=20 > >=20 > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Valeria Kaplan > Marketing Director >=20 >=20 > Data Egret >=20 > M.: +44 7876 572323 > vk@dataegret.com >=20 >=20 >> On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 11:46 AM Jan Karremans wrote: >> Would we see this as an additional logo the the stylist elephant we have n= ow? >> As we could have two different ones, I guess. >>=20 >> Mit freundlichem Gru=C3=9F, kind regards, >>=20 >> >>=20 >>=20 >> Jan Karremans >> Director of Sales Engineering, EMEA >> Senior Sales Engineer DACH-Region >> EDB Postgres Advanced Server Professional >> -- Postgres Everywhere -- >>=20 >> - Deutsch ist nicht meine Muttersprache, bitte verzeihen Sie Verst=C3=B6=C3= =9Fe gegen die Rechtschreibung - >>=20 >> Office: +49-(0)3222-1097 907 >> Mobile: +31-(0)6-1638 9607 >>=20 >> http://www.enterprisedb.com/ >>=20 >> Don't walk behind me; I may not lead. >> Don't walk in front of me; I may not follow. >> Just walk beside me and be my friend. >> +*+ Albert Camus +*+ >>=20 >>> On 6 Dec 2019, at 10:31, Ray O'Donnell wrote: >>>=20 >>>> On 06/12/2019 04:38, BFarrell915 wrote: >>>> Hello PostgreSQL advocacy group, >>>>=20 >>>> I recently contacted the core team about a logo design I came up with. >>>> Bruce kindly directed me towards this group.=20 >>>>=20 >>>> As you can see in the forwarded message below, logo design is a bit of a= >>>> hobby for me. If you and the community agree that the design has >>>> potential, I would be happy to iterate on the design based on your feed= back. >>>>=20 >>>> If not, it was a fun project for me anyway. >>>=20 >>> I really like your logo; it's useful too in that it would work equally >>> well in colour and black-and-white contexts. >>>=20 >>> I wouldn't mind seeing a little more contrast in the logo, perhaps some >>> subtle areas of darker tone that would make the elephant more obvious. >>> Though I'm not a design expert...! >>>=20 >>> Ray. >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> Raymond O'Donnell // Galway // Ireland >>> ray@rodonnell.ie --Apple-Mail-7EFF7F5D-F9A1-47C6-BFDA-EEF7278DB838 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Valeria,
My goal is just to have some fun and test my skills! I saw t= hat old diamond logo and the idea popped into my head. I thought it was at l= east an interesting idea so I thought I would share.

It may very well be that there is no need for a logo redesign! But I do fe= el my design does have some advantages over the current logo, namely scalabi= lity. The design also has a more modern and sleek look; which may not be the= direction PostreSQL wants to take, but I don=E2=80=99t think it can hurt to= spark a conversation. 

Reguards,
Br= yan

On Dec 6, 2019, at 1= 5:24, Valeria Kaplan <vk@dataegret.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
Thank you for developing it, Bryan!

The first question I had seeing this, what are we trying to achieve = by creating a new logo for Postgres. I think current logo established itself= well and is very recognisable among other logos in the industry. Changing i= t would mean that we might risk losing this recognition, especially when man= y Postgres initiatives have logos based on the official Postgres elephant (a= ttached). 

Overall, I think that if there is a= feeling in the community that we need to address a particular issue in= Postgres perception and this logo would be part of a larger change (in the c= ommunity or the database itself) then a revision of the logo may be&nbs= p;justified. 

Kind regards,
Val= eria

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Data Egret<= /p>



On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 11:46 A= M Jan Karremans <jan.ka= rremans@enterprisedb.com> wrote:
Would we see= this as an additional logo the the stylist elephant we have now?
As we c= ould have two different ones, I guess.

Mit freundlichem Gru=C3=9F, kind reg= ards,

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Jan Karremans
Director of Sales Engineering, EMEA
Senior Sales Engineer DACH-Region
EDB Postgres Advanced Server Professional
-- Postgres Everywhere --

-= Deutsch ist nicht meine Muttersprache, bitte verzeihen Sie Verst=C3=B6= =C3=9Fe gegen die Rechtschreibung -

Office:  +49-(0)3222-1097 907<= br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style= :normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;te= xt-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-s= pacing:0px;text-decoration:none">Mobile: +31-(0)= 6-1638 9607

http://www.enterprise= db.com/

Don't walk behind me; I may not lead.
Don't walk in front of me; I may= not follow.
Just walk beside me and be my friend.
+*+ Albert Camus +*+

On 6 Dec 2019, at 10:31, Ray O'Donne= ll <ray@rodonnell.i= e> wrote:

On 06/12/2019 04:38, BFarrell915 wrote:<= br>
Hello PostgreSQL advocacy group,

I recen= tly contacted the core team about a logo design I came up with.
Bruce kin= dly directed me towards this group. 

As you can see in the forwa= rded message below, logo design is a bit of a
hobby for me. If you and th= e community agree that the design has
potential, I would be happy to iter= ate on the design based on your feedback.

If not, it was a fun projec= t for me anyway.

I really like your logo; it's useful to= o in that it would work equally
well in colour and black-and-white contex= ts.

I wouldn't mind seeing a little more contrast in the logo, perhap= s some
subtle areas of darker tone that would make the elephant more obvi= ous.
Though I'm not a design expert...!

Ray.

--
Raymond= O'Donnell // Galway // Ireland
ray@rodonnell.ie


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