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boundary="_000_YT2PR01MB98272BD07BF3CE2F16169689E84EAYT2PR01MB9827CANP_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: uottawa.ca X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: YT2PR01MB9827.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 3cdea168-f86c-48cc-f64d-08db637695d8 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 02 Jun 2023 14:35:17.4196 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: d41fdab1-7e15-4cfd-b5fa-7200e54deb6b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: BxbFxPAUVfnryYdhNQZGOZp+92mYUo9w7iK+JhObHlxPq8MzDtOC+CL9RLgTMpEAfxCkn04rcd54dYDbMJD9gg== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: YQBPR0101MB6570 List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk --_000_YT2PR01MB98272BD07BF3CE2F16169689E84EAYT2PR01MB9827CANP_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Guillaume, That's interesting - the PostgreSQL training/testing that Dalibo is offerin= g is in French? I wonder if we could work out an agreement with Dalibo and build on the tra= ining that you have already developed, rather than re-inventing the wheel, = so to speak. That way we're kind of building the unified or standardized E= nglish and French training/testing at the same time ('unified' or 'standard= ized' sounds better to me than 'community developed'). Just some thoughts :) Sincerely, Katie ________________________________ From: Guillaume Lelarge Sent: 02 June 2023 10:06 To: Katherine Mcmillan Cc: Valeria Kaplan ; Adrian Klaver ; Jaime Casanova ; PostgreSQL Ad= vocacy Subject: Re: RFC: a new try for an official community approved certificatio= n Attention : courriel externe | external email Hi, Le ven. 2 juin 2023 =E0 15:13, Katherine Mcmillan > a =E9crit : Hello all, Not sure about this idea, but possibly a better one than having a single co= mpany (ex. Red Hat and EDB come to mind) run the show for certifications/co= mpetency rating. I like it from this respect. There are other companies doing PostgreSQL certification. SRA in Japan, and= Dalibo in France (disclaimer: I work for Dalibo) offer certification exams= for their customers. I will love the idea if you are able to, somehow, offer the training/testin= g in languages other than English. PostgreSQL is an international open sou= rce project and English-only training/testing is not very appropriate. Thi= s gives a huge advantage to the community's native English speakers (the go= al here is to produce something 'unbiased' I thought). Perhaps develop it in English, with input from those from non-English speak= ing countries on your working group, and then have it translated into multi= ple languages (also: be careful how you prioritize these, but if you have, = say, a member from India on your working group, perhaps Hindi becomes one o= f the first). Multiple languages would be a must, I totally agree. Dalibo did its own cer= tification because the community didn't seem to be able to work on a unifie= d one, despite many tries. I'd love to see a unified Postgres certification= , and we (Dalibo) would gladly work on this project, but I also am kinda sk= eptical of the outcome. Regards. -- Guillaume. --_000_YT2PR01MB98272BD07BF3CE2F16169689E84EAYT2PR01MB9827CANP_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Guillaume,

That's interesting - the PostgreSQL training/testing that Dalibo is offerin= g is in French? 

I wonder if we could work out an agreement with Dalibo and build on the tra= ining that you have already developed, rather than re-inventing the wheel, = so to speak.  That way we're kind of building the unified or standardi= zed English and French training/testing at the same time ('unified' or 'standardized' sounds better to me than 'co= mmunity developed').

Just some thoughts :)

Sincerely,
Katie
From: Guillaume Lelarge <= ;guillaume@lelarge.info>
Sent: 02 June 2023 10:06
To: Katherine Mcmillan <kmcmi046@uottawa.ca>
Cc: Valeria Kaplan <kaplan.valeria@gmail.com>; Adrian Klaver &= lt;adrian.klaver@aklaver.com>; Jaime Casanova <jcasanov@systemguards.= com.ec>; PostgreSQL Advocacy <pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org>
Subject: Re: RFC: a new try for an official community approved certi= fication
 
Atten= tion : courriel externe | external email
Hi,

Le ven. 2 juin 2023 =E0 1= 5:13, Katherine Mcmillan <kmcmi04= 6@uottawa.ca> a =E9crit :
Hello all,

Not sure about this idea, but possibly a better one than having a single co= mpany (ex. Red Hat and EDB come to mind) run the show for certifications/co= mpetency rating.  I like it from this respect.


There are other companies doing PostgreSQL certification. SRA in Japan= , and Dalibo in France (disclaimer: I work for Dalibo) offer certification = exams for their customers.

I will love the idea if you are able to, somehow, offer the training/testin= g in languages other than English.  PostgreSQL is an international ope= n source project and English-only training/testing is not very appropriate.=   This gives a huge advantage to the community's native English speakers (the goal here is to produce something= 'unbiased' I thought).

Perhaps develop it in English, with input from those from non-English speak= ing countries on your working group, and then have it translated into multi= ple languages (also: be careful how you prioritize these, but if you have, = say, a member from India on your working group, perhaps Hindi becomes one of the first).  


Multiple languages would be a must, I totally agree. Dalibo did its ow= n certification because the community didn't seem to be able to work on a u= nified one, despite many tries. I'd love to see a unified Postgres certific= ation, and we (Dalibo) would gladly work on this project, but I also am kinda skeptical of the outcome.

Regards.


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Guillaume.
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