Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jbYRE-0000r4-QN for pgsql-advocacy@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 20 May 2020 23:47:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jbYRD-0003cE-N0 for pgsql-advocacy@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 20 May 2020 23:47:51 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jbYRC-0003c7-S5 for pgsql-advocacy@lists.postgresql.org; Wed, 20 May 2020 23:47:51 +0000 Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.25]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jbYRA-0002OI-2t for pgsql-advocacy@lists.postgresql.org; Wed, 20 May 2020 23:47:50 +0000 Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88F6D5C00ED; Wed, 20 May 2020 19:47:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 20 May 2020 19:47:46 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=aklaver.com; h= subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=fm3; bh=U xufqlicIkwxEc0e0hKPznJduhH580iGAG5EFTuj+iU=; b=UBx2rkqQ3bBKSd4Dd HqwRQvlO8aEAwWYbFUrmsNgN+oI581EsOhacNbfBoAgFdgrTHp/k1a6/pyCNuTnN e3baMb/TNGsjPB5clAuBK+C5gTXD+NuDCYcg+rcAGB6khp6nLERZrlNfILU2pE2R VLCGF5NT2p9Ulwk2nTvWHiSv3gbADvREiH1QeHYrhei5zJHg6cCsgE+63bdlzVhI S5hXmS4h02z+Gh0dZs5iVgrzwWAO104up9WqIlwptwKpBmx1C+KudmHPaBr7BsHn I4vIvR0CjzEMUjrfmRn2YWgAKTtuoZ2gzHtp7To4meV63McKQEtcnofz62NQcufO VmG0g== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=UxufqlicIkwxEc0e0hKPznJduhH580iGAG5EFTuj+ iU=; b=QqlDRbZK9QK+XyMuL9Y0ASwuZWK2ADDgIRafjHBWBwG6TjcgF2S+faFoT FAcpo2oTHWjb+DoY4LKK84c78HvExAxJg49Jmo9kyamSuaIc8YIm9/9XFtv4DfqH RL7PUD+4JzzNL7xPwN2sbROgXEAkXpEQd+UA3xD935SU1I6qvNWYc+N5NlrzUMef tR1TPbshcSw55CiM49ScqG1vquJlIZFdGoyjh3CSkBNM6SPUaTa9jZlAN9Ed1orX Rg8aE5iu0A0hjqINU0SoDPckPeAeV3J3N57/pDch6CbBg8KQ6kUK3Hi1Hd0jX30K HNi559O3rcxADTqZq4azoDxHRYdOA== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduhedruddutddgvdehucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhepuffvfhfhkffffgggjggtgfesthejredttdefjeenucfhrhhomheptegurhhi rghnucfmlhgrvhgvrhcuoegrughrihgrnhdrkhhlrghvvghrsegrkhhlrghvvghrrdgtoh hmqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeetjedvteffjeeuvdelieeffeehuedthffgvdfhhffh kedvudevgedvjedufefgveenucfkphepjeehrddujedvrdehrddvfedunecuvehluhhsth gvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomheprggurhhirghnrdhklhgr vhgvrhesrghklhgrvhgvrhdrtghomh X-ME-Proxy: Received: from [192.168.1.3] (75-172-5-231.tukw.qwest.net [75.172.5.231]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id AC7F43280060; Wed, 20 May 2020 19:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: PostgreSQL 13 Beta 1 Release Announcement Draft To: Alvaro Herrera , "Jonathan S. Katz" Cc: PostgreSQL Advocacy References: <20200520233018.GA32614@alvherre.pgsql> From: Adrian Klaver Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 16:47:44 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200520233018.GA32614@alvherre.pgsql> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Precedence: bulk On 5/20/20 4:30 PM, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > Hello, sorry for the timing on this, but here's some feedback. > > On 2020-May-20, Jonathan S. Katz wrote: > > >> One of the most anticipated features of PostgreSQL 13 is the ability for the >> `VACUUM` command to process indexes in parallel. This functionality can be >> accessed using the new `PARALLEL` option on the `VACUUM` command (or >> `--parallel` on `vacuumdb`), which allows you to specify the number of parallel >> workers to use for vacuuming indexes. Note that this does not work with the >> `FULL` option. > > I feel this "Note" is unnecessary; VACUUM FULL is of fringe use anyway. You would hope so, but given the number of times it shows up on --general I would say the note is important. > The phrase on incremental sorting above is better use of these extra > words, if you have a surplus. > > Thanks! > -- Adrian Klaver adrian.klaver@aklaver.com