X-Original-To: pgsql-benchmarks-postgresql.org@localhost.postgresql.org Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.144]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E6C93A5C43 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 01:04:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from svr1.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 66157-05 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 01:04:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from polaris.pinpointresearch.com (66-7-238-130.cust.telepacific.net [66.7.238.130]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F1923A5FB2 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 01:04:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from betelgeuse.pinpointresearch.com (betelgeuse.pinpointresearch.com [192.168.1.179]) by polaris.pinpointresearch.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8790C103B3; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:04:45 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Crawford Organization: Pinpoint Research To: Randolf Richardson , pgsql-benchmarks@postgresql.org Subject: Re: PostgreSQL vs. Oracle vs. Microsoft Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:04:45 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 References: <8533.1105221483@sss.pgh.pa.us> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501131704.45237.scrawford@pinpointresearch.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.05 tagged_above=0 required=5 tests=FORGED_RCVD_HELO X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200501/9 X-Sequence-Number: 31 > > Oracle prohibits their licensees from publishing independent > > benchmarks, and I think the same is true for SQL Server. So you > > won't find anything unbiased. > > I know for a fact that my client will see this as an admission > of weakness on the part of those two vendors (I assume you mean > "Microsoft SQL Server" when you use the generic term "SQL Server," > despite the fact that PostgreSQL, Oracle, MySQL, etc., are all SQL > Servers as well). > > Do you happen to have links to their license agreements? I'd > like to see this for myself, because if it is then I'm going to cry > a song similar to "bloody murder" for many of my friends and > colleagues once verified. > > Thanks, by the way. This will pretty much be the needed "nail > in the coffin" as far as my client is concerned -- if those two > organizations are that restrictive in their license agreements Restrictive IN their license agreements? Hell, M$ and their buddies in the BSA don't even want you to SEE the license till after you have purchased the software! When Ed Foster, posing as a customer, tried to get a pre-purchase copy of a license agreement he failed. Microsoft's policy is that to see the license you must first purchase the product: http://www.gripe2ed.com/scoop/story/2005/1/11/1939/04481 See how your client feels about that. Cheers, Steve