Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lb4VP-0000XV-19 for pgsql-bugs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 16:54:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lb4VN-0003vd-8w for pgsql-bugs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 16:54:41 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lb4VN-0003vV-2q for pgsql-bugs@lists.postgresql.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 16:54:41 +0000 Received: from momjian.us ([72.94.173.45]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lb4VJ-0007tC-H6 for pgsql-bugs@lists.postgresql.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 16:54:39 +0000 Received: from bruce by momjian.us with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lb4VH-0001XP-J5; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 12:54:35 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 12:54:35 -0400 From: Bruce Momjian To: Tom Lane Cc: Noah Misch , neverov.max@gmail.com, pgsql-bugs@lists.postgresql.org Subject: Re: BUG #16939: Plural interval for negative singular Message-ID: <20210426165435.GT7629@momjian.us> References: <16939-cceeb03fb72736ee@postgresql.org> <20210323160336.GE579@momjian.us> <20210425115726.GA2353095@rfd.leadboat.com> <20210426163116.GR7629@momjian.us> <2266336.1619455534@sss.pgh.pa.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2266336.1619455534@sss.pgh.pa.us> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 12:45:34PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: > Bruce Momjian writes: > > On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 04:57:26AM -0700, Noah Misch wrote: > >> Let's not change from one popular spelling to another when doing so creates a > >> compatibility hazard. That is to say, I think PostgreSQL would be better with > >> this patch reverted. > >> > >> If we did want to standardize on singular for -1, EVALUATE_MESSAGE_PLURAL() > >> would be a key bit of code to change. > > > Oh, good point. I think we should just pick one and be consistent --- I > > don't care which we choose. > > I agree with Noah's opinion that we should stick to the historical > behavior in the interval I/O functions. There is not enough solidity > in the "this is grammatically wrong" argument to justify taking any > risk of application breakage, and it seems like there is some risk of > that there. > > For the sorts of human-readable messages that EVALUATE_MESSAGE_PLURAL > tends to be used for, I don't think there's a reason to worry that > we might break applications if we change it. So I don't have a > strong opinion about what to do there. Still, by the same token > that the grammatical argument is weak, I lean towards not spending > effort on changing it. Are you saying we should revert the patch and leave the plurals inconsistent in different places? We were already expressing -1 as singular in most of the places I saw. -- Bruce Momjian https://momjian.us EDB https://enterprisedb.com If only the physical world exists, free will is an illusion.