Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2025 22:25:02 -0800
From: Jeremy Schneider <schneider@ardentperf.com>
To: Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Cc: Greg Sabino Mullane <htamfids@gmail.com>, Matthias Apitz
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Subject: Re: BUG #18822: mailing lists reject mails due to DKIM-signature
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On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 10:55:31 -0500
Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 10:47:26AM -0500, Greg Sabino Mullane wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 4:45=E2=80=AFAM Matthias Apitz
> > <gurucubano@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >=20
> >     Why postgresql.org can not do the same?
> >=20
> >=20
> > Honestly, it's worth pointing out that you are the only one
> > complaining about this issue. Were it hundreds of others, we might
> > react differently. But since it's only you, it further supports the
> > "your problem, not ours" prognosis. =20
>=20
> He did point out that many other mailing lists are fine with his
> configuration, so that works in his favor.  I think we are just more
> precise than those other lists.

Well to be clear, I think lots of us don't love DKIM. If I recall
correctly, Amazon turned it on somewhat recently and broke all their
employees ability to use company email with the any major mailing
lists. Not just postgresql but also LKML, IETF, etc. And Amazon is not
the first. There is documentation on the internet of Intel [1] and=20
Google [2] doing the same. And don't use Yahoo for your personal email,
who famously back in 2014 broke every mailing list in the world [3].

Back when I worked at Amazon and they started enforcing, I didn't
bother complaining - I just permanently switched to using my personal
gmail account for open source mailing list participation. I think the
whole DKIM thing is a mess but I don't think it's a postgres problem.

-Jeremy


1:
https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20211214150032.nioelgvmase7yyus@meerkat.local/

2: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3D13425802

3:
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/J-IsfA0Lb-6T_NeMD1ENKZyb9tA/