Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1s4LKr-002x1I-5E for pgsql-bugs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 07 May 2024 13:58:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1s4LKo-003AKR-Ep for pgsql-bugs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 07 May 2024 13:58:23 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1s4LKo-003AKI-6L for pgsql-bugs@lists.postgresql.org; Tue, 07 May 2024 13:58:23 +0000 Received: from sss.pgh.pa.us ([68.162.161.243]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1s4LKm-001sjD-Oa for pgsql-bugs@lists.postgresql.org; Tue, 07 May 2024 13:58:21 +0000 Received: from sss1.sss.pgh.pa.us (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sss.pgh.pa.us (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 447DwFhW4056219; Tue, 7 May 2024 09:58:15 -0400 From: Tom Lane To: "David G. Johnston" cc: "julius.ernesti@kpi4me.de" , "pgsql-bugs@lists.postgresql.org" Subject: Re: BUG #18457: Possible data loss needs to be evaluated In-reply-to: References: <18457-dc62fafe74c67bdd@postgresql.org> Comments: In-reply-to "David G. Johnston" message dated "Tue, 07 May 2024 05:20:38 -0700" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <4056217.1715090295.1@sss.pgh.pa.us> Date: Tue, 07 May 2024 09:58:15 -0400 Message-ID: <4056218.1715090295@sss.pgh.pa.us> List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk "David G. Johnston" writes: > If you actually perform that algorithm manually using two psql sessions you > will find, if done properly, that the row with id=4 exists. If it does not > then show that work because you will indeed have found a bug. But as of > now you have not demonstrated a bug in PostgreSQL. Yeah. This could be a Postgres problem, or it could be an application problem. Given the lack of other similar reports, the a-priori assumption has to be that it's an application problem. In any case, there's no way for the rest of us to investigate since we don't have access to either the application or data involved. regards, tom lane