Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hiL1V-00046h-Ln for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 02 Jul 2019 15:48:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hiL0V-0008EN-Sn for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 02 Jul 2019 15:47:47 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hiL0V-000887-Hy for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Tue, 02 Jul 2019 15:47:47 +0000 Received: from sss.pgh.pa.us ([66.207.139.130]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hiL0T-0002C0-Ae for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Tue, 02 Jul 2019 15:47:47 +0000 Received: from sss1.sss.pgh.pa.us (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sss.pgh.pa.us (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id x62FlWQZ013182; Tue, 2 Jul 2019 11:47:32 -0400 From: Tom Lane To: Robert Haas cc: Andrew Gierth , Stephen Frost , Andres Freund , Christoph Berg , PostgreSQL Hackers Subject: Re: UCT (Re: pgsql: Update time zone data files to tzdata release 2019a.) In-reply-to: References: <24452.1560285699@sss.pgh.pa.us> <20190614095546.GA15107@msg.df7cb.de> <26948.1560517875@sss.pgh.pa.us> <87ef3w3u8a.fsf@news-spur.riddles.org.uk> <7114.1560539536@sss.pgh.pa.us> <875zp74zpf.fsf@news-spur.riddles.org.uk> <871rzv4yes.fsf@news-spur.riddles.org.uk> <20190617173943.z3ttxqenbcwrlag4@alap3.anarazel.de> <20190617183458.GG2480@tamriel.snowman.net> <20190617183828.hj7ci362zbxd4nax@alap3.anarazel.de> <20190617184053.GI2480@tamriel.snowman.net> <25314.1560980148@sss.pgh.pa.us> <27991.1560984458@sss.pgh.pa.us> <877e9h18df.fsf@news-spur.riddles.org.uk> <2643.1561508327@sss.pgh.pa.us> <1262.1561658284@sss.pgh.pa.us> Comments: In-reply-to Robert Haas message dated "Sat, 29 Jun 2019 16:48:12 -0400" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <13180.1562082452.1@sss.pgh.pa.us> Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2019 11:47:32 -0400 Message-ID: <13181.1562082452@sss.pgh.pa.us> List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Precedence: bulk Robert Haas writes: > Long story short, I agree with you that most people probably don't > care about this very much, but I also agree with Andrew that some of > the current choices we're making are pretty strange, and I'm not > convinced as you are that it's impossible to make a principled choice > between alternatives in all cases. The upstream data appears to > contain some information about intent; it's not just a jumble of > exactly-equally-preferred alternatives. I agree that if there were an easy way to discount the IANA "backward compatibility" zone names, that'd likely be a reasonable thing to do. The problem is that those names aren't distinguished from others in the representation we have available to us (ie, the actual /usr/share/zoneinfo file tree). I'm dubious that relying on zone[1970].tab would improve matters substantially; it would fix some cases, but I don't think it would fix all of them. Resolving all ambiguous zone-name choices is not the charter of those files. regards, tom lane