Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1he0rg-0004BR-KH for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Thu, 20 Jun 2019 17:28:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1he0rf-0000DX-HC for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Thu, 20 Jun 2019 17:28:47 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1he0rf-0000DK-8v for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Thu, 20 Jun 2019 17:28:47 +0000 Received: from mail-qt1-x844.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::844]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1he0rc-0001MZ-65 for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Thu, 20 Jun 2019 17:28:46 +0000 Received: by mail-qt1-x844.google.com with SMTP id m29so4041265qtu.1 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2019 10:28:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=2ndquadrant-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=eWi7nkjzy92rZvmwj2aNkod+rOmbF+Klbr/N1m+KGFY=; b=ouGeNtpxuhPcCmXugNZj7cKXT2hupOQT2t7OMp/ukeGmIsD48RdbuCYyffH2Aeur9V Q+Q3030vtLI+/rc2D8AGktjyGThYBUfYmss6gIrJl8z7KYefsllIRFA9MmBe5fOfhqjp 0Ja90FLMcUxuV7Ogk6Ccf07f7Qrb9nYDd1egyMomgklyuxfBtRlIraJ5HTaVJNwY0800 6rh3AvMjEyEj8Vk7RMNUGiPUHN2Gfn+y3FHET2GnWjTrxWpypgIMoFeXP5EAcijyqdpC Qggr4HHl74ERdY+JgngmnRXTUnedUrVKf0PLFvyCFGewrM4gl3MJP30003VQinU+ViT3 zJDQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:mime-version :content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=eWi7nkjzy92rZvmwj2aNkod+rOmbF+Klbr/N1m+KGFY=; b=fDylbbHhqcnBpljrfk6NoVER4LhSqt/Gc6br0swvl2PX/7+7QIdqAsGhkdvXStneuh f9P8L376GY/RdnQ690eQ/jrQHMxdlFW2aOk71oUBctqnwd9o8WCNSqWvDAYOz/fJLGQY GJqeXzMbDPyDQYqnkO4u3q5g16p1LcYyFh7kDd7i7CxW7VVlEDj5E+8cYfMezi6mXblQ EINC0dUZep2W3jugbLHBpTKoza0DEmZpC8Ipcn7kfjBrE4sT29BdsZqwfeqfnioYNPC1 OpqvX33Mne6ZTxYrbo0l3Rkziu4AuylbGLcCW/hdTzAgR4i0EGzX3rTpYgqzoLYCQxjg gpeQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXgMrscjZtLKu5FYulPbVZ/g7FPGpUn9kKPw5aC2C9J4Mb6/htV 8syjc5XxxwOllfP71iHhBNvq4g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqw40LAxJMmaj/B8V9+HvXY0ivi/baZ578hU1fqLDWRFlZsoXERJDWCTOuLDDJmbrl95CSbs1w== X-Received: by 2002:aed:38c2:: with SMTP id k60mr39129146qte.83.1561051722159; Thu, 20 Jun 2019 10:28:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nimloth.alvh.no-ip.org ([177.154.139.195]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e1sm141142qtb.52.2019.06.20.10.28.41 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=AEAD-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 20 Jun 2019 10:28:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nimloth.alvh.no-ip.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id ADA14120999; Thu, 20 Jun 2019 13:28:38 -0400 (-04) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 13:28:38 -0400 From: Alvaro Herrera To: Andres Freund Cc: Robert Haas , Stephen Frost , Tom Lane , Andrew Gierth , Christoph Berg , PostgreSQL Hackers Subject: Re: UCT (Re: pgsql: Update time zone data files to tzdata release 2019a.) Message-ID: <20190620172838.GA21945@alvherre.pgsql> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20190620161400.6wtuybv64ihnfy6d@alap3.anarazel.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.4 (2018-02-28) List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Precedence: bulk On 2019-Jun-20, Andres Freund wrote: > On 2019-06-20 12:02:30 -0400, Robert Haas wrote: > > I agree that it's a difficult situation. I do kind of wonder whether > > we were altogether overreacting. If we had shipped it as it was, > > what's the worst thing that would have happened? > > I think it's not good, but also nothing particularly bad came out of > it. I don't think we should try to set up procedures for future > occurances, and rather work/plan on that not happening very often. I suppose we could have a moratorium on commits starting from (say) EOB Wednesday of the week prior to the release; patches can only be committed after that if they have ample support (where "ample support" might be defined as having +1 from, say, two other committers). That way there's time to discuss/revert/fix anything that is deemed controversial. -- Álvaro Herrera https://www.2ndQuadrant.com/ PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Remote DBA, Training & Services