Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hgGsU-0003Rk-Q7 for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 26 Jun 2019 22:58:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hgGsT-0002Ro-Bf for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 26 Jun 2019 22:58:57 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hgGsT-0002OD-0n for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Wed, 26 Jun 2019 22:58:57 +0000 Received: from smtp.outgoing.loopia.se ([194.9.95.112]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hgGsQ-0004V4-Ey for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Wed, 26 Jun 2019 22:58:56 +0000 Received: from s554.loopia.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by s554.loopia.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 881C01F1695A for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 00:58:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from s498.loopia.se (unknown [172.21.200.96]) by s554.loopia.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68DF379A9B0; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 00:58:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from s472.loopia.se (unknown [172.21.200.36]) by s498.loopia.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6297D449422; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 00:58:52 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amavis.loopia.se X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 tagged_above=-999 required=6.2 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1] autolearn=disabled Received: from s645.loopia.se ([172.22.191.5]) by s472.loopia.se (s472.loopia.se [172.22.190.12]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id hussR2fZDtcI; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 00:58:51 +0200 (CEST) X-Loopia-Auth: user X-Loopia-User: daniel@yesql.se X-Loopia-Originating-IP: 85.228.38.16 Received: from [192.168.1.74] (c-1026e455.027-294-73746f71.bbcust.telenor.se [85.228.38.16]) (Authenticated sender: daniel@yesql.se) by s645.loopia.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 41A5013BF32E; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 00:58:51 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Subject: Re: UCT (Re: pgsql: Update time zone data files to tzdata release 2019a.) From: Daniel Gustafsson In-Reply-To: <87y31oq9g6.fsf@news-spur.riddles.org.uk> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 00:58:49 +0200 Cc: Tom Lane , Thomas Munro , Robert Haas , Stephen Frost , Andres Freund , Christoph Berg , PostgreSQL Hackers Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <78E9E224-CF9F-4AB6-9CC8-450DC3C2B73B@yesql.se> References: <24452.1560285699@sss.pgh.pa.us> <20190614095546.GA15107@msg.df7cb.de> <26948.1560517875@sss.pgh.pa.us> <87ef3w3u8a.fsf@news-spur.riddles.org.uk> <7114.1560539536@sss.pgh.pa.us> <875zp74zpf.fsf@news-spur.riddles.org.uk> <871rzv4yes.fsf@news-spur.riddles.org.uk> <20190617173943.z3ttxqenbcwrlag4@alap3.anarazel.de> <20190617183458.GG2480@tamriel.snowman.net> <20190617183828.hj7ci362zbxd4nax@alap3.anarazel.de> <20190617184053.GI2480@tamriel.snowman.net> <25314.1560980148@sss.pgh.pa.us> <27991.1560984458@sss.pgh.pa.us> <877e9h18df.fsf@news-spur.riddles.org.uk> <2643.1561508327@sss.pgh.pa.us> <877e98syi5.fsf@news-spur.riddles.org.uk> <8736jwsdv2.fsf@news-spur.riddles.org.uk> <17148.1561568815@sss.pgh.pa.us> <87y31oq9g6.fsf@news-spur.riddles.org.uk> To: Andrew Gierth X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Precedence: bulk > On 27 Jun 2019, at 00:48, Andrew Gierth = wrote: > Tom> In general, the point I'm trying to make is that our policy = should > Tom> be "Ties are broken arbitrarily, and if you don't like the choice > Tom> that initdb makes, here's how to fix it". >=20 > Yes, you've repeated that point at some length, and I am not = convinced. > Is anyone else? I don=E2=80=99t have any insights into the patches comitted or proposed. = However, having been lurking on the tz mailinglist for a long time, I totally see = where Tom is coming from with this. cheers ./daniel=