X-Original-To: pgsql-general-postgresql.org@localhost.postgresql.org Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.144]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57EF9D1B23E for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:32:44 -0300 (ADT) Received: from svr1.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 73243-03 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:32:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pd3mo2so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EC0FD1B20E for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:32:40 -0300 (ADT) Received: from pd4mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr3so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.214]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0I0F008TYXQCM2@l-daemon> for pgsql-general@postgresql.org; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 11:25:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml9so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.7]) by pd4mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I0F00LQVXQCLUE0@pd4mr3so.prod.shaw.ca> for pgsql-general@postgresql.org; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 11:25:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from PETER (S01060004e28f221e.ed.shawcable.net [24.66.11.87]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0I0F00H11XQCLF@l-daemon> for pgsql-general@postgresql.org; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 11:25:24 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 11:25:07 -0600 From: Anony Mous Subject: Re: Do we need more emphasis on backup? In-reply-to: <20040706123215.6E477430E@jimsun.linxnet.com> To: pgsql-general@postgresql.org Message-id: <005801c4637e$2f1a7a30$7402a8c0@PETER> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 tagged_above=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FAKE_HELO_SHAW_CA, RCVD_IN_SORBS X-Spam-Level: * X-Archive-Number: 200407/203 X-Sequence-Number: 62802 Scary if the person has a DBA background. But there are lots of people, like myself, who find themselves doing this sort of work and do not have the formal training (small business, small db, but still an important part of the business IS). Now, I know my limits and I would not take on the task of administering a high-volume, mission-critical DB. Nonetheless, there are many tips, tricks, and gotcha's that I have yet to learn. I welcome an FAQ on this subject and genuinely appreciate the efforts of those who create it. It will make me a better "wanna-be"! -----Original Message----- From: Jim Seymour [mailto:jseymour@linxnet.com]=20 Sent: July 6, 2004 6:32 AM To: pgsql-general@postgresql.org Subject: Re: Do we need more emphasis on backup? Bruce Momjian wrote: >=20 > pgman wrote: > > Jim Seymour wrote: [snip] > > >=20 > > > My position is that your data is only as reliable as your hardware, > > > period.=20=20 [snip] > >=20 > > There is a basic misconception that all PC hardware is created equal --- > > that hard drives, mother boards, and RAM are all the same because they > > are all PC-compatible. Compatible !=3D Similar Quality. [snip] >=20 > Should I add an FAQ discussing hardware selection and the importance of > reliable hardware? Scary to think that people who don't know enough about running a proper server, and thus have to be *told* this, are admin'ing databases. Start with: Gotta have ECC, or at least parity-checking, RAM. Mention the (some kinds of?) IDE drives issue. Mention that hardware RAID systems must have battery-backed write cache. (I actually had a RAID vendor, whose products no longer had batter-backed write cache, tell me "Just use a UPS.") Jim