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* Suggestion ...
@ 2001-10-18 19:30 Dave_Pfaltzgraff@patapsco.com
2001-10-19 14:27 ` Re: Suggestion ... Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com>
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From: Dave_Pfaltzgraff@patapsco.com @ 2001-10-18 19:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-docs
Dave Pfaltzgraff@PATAPSCO
10/18/2001 03:30 PM
I think having your documentation on-line is GREAT, but ... when I'm working, I
like to have a hard copy at my elbow with sticky notes, dog eared pages,
scribbled notes, ... the works. Yes, I know I can print a hard copy myself. I
did this for version 6.4, but it would appear that the latest has much more to
print - a VERY good sign! And the mere volume in 3-ring binders makes it quite
cumbersome!
Have you considered teaming up with a publisher to have hard copy available in
the standard 7" by 9" format? It could possibly be a source of revenue as well.
I know that if it were available, I'd be sure to have it on my bookshelf.
For a reference, I use the GIMP book which is available through Coriolis and it
was worth the cost even though the book is also available on-line. Another
possibility would be O'Reilly and I'm sure there are others.
Something to think a about ...
Regards,
Dave
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* Re: Suggestion ...
2001-10-18 19:30 Suggestion ... Dave_Pfaltzgraff@patapsco.com
@ 2001-10-19 14:27 ` Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com>
2001-10-19 17:30 ` Re: Suggestion ... Ross J. Reedstrom <reedstrm@rice.edu>
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From: Vince Vielhaber @ 2001-10-19 14:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dave_Pfaltzgraff@patapsco.com; +Cc: pgsql-docs
On Thu, 18 Oct 2001 Dave_Pfaltzgraff@patapsco.com wrote:
> I think having your documentation on-line is GREAT, but ... when I'm working, I
> like to have a hard copy at my elbow with sticky notes, dog eared pages,
> scribbled notes, ... the works. Yes, I know I can print a hard copy myself. I
> did this for version 6.4, but it would appear that the latest has much more to
> print - a VERY good sign! And the mere volume in 3-ring binders makes it quite
> cumbersome!
>
> Have you considered teaming up with a publisher to have hard copy available in
> the standard 7" by 9" format? It could possibly be a source of revenue as well.
> I know that if it were available, I'd be sure to have it on my bookshelf.
>
> For a reference, I use the GIMP book which is available through Coriolis and it
> was worth the cost even though the book is also available on-line. Another
> possibility would be O'Reilly and I'm sure there are others.
>
> Something to think a about ...
It certainly is. A number of us even have ties to publishers.
Vince.
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* Re: Suggestion ...
2001-10-18 19:30 Suggestion ... Dave_Pfaltzgraff@patapsco.com
2001-10-19 14:27 ` Re: Suggestion ... Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com>
@ 2001-10-19 17:30 ` Ross J. Reedstrom <reedstrm@rice.edu>
2001-10-20 11:45 ` Re: Suggestion ... Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>
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From: Ross J. Reedstrom @ 2001-10-19 17:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-docs
On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 10:27:52AM -0400, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Oct 2001 Dave_Pfaltzgraff@patapsco.com wrote:
> > was worth the cost even though the book is also available on-line. Another
> > possibility would be O'Reilly and I'm sure there are others.
> >
> > Something to think a about ...
>
> It certainly is. A number of us even have ties to publishers.
Not to want to cause problems with your publishers, but we might
want to think about by-passing the traditional distribution channel
completely. The problem being that the software moves so fast, publishers
get stuck with old stock. Another approach: some of us have ties with
Kinkos, which I could see working as a distributed 'just in time' print
service for the latest and greatest docs. We're doing it for a web
and print course materials project and it's working out very well. Of
course, we haven't done the actual prefect bound books with color covers,
either. Although, Kinkos tells us that they've got the facilities for it,
set up in Memphis - right next to FedEx ;-) I've always thought that this
is the way to go for Open Source/Free Software docs.
--
Ross Reedstrom, Ph.D. reedstrm@rice.edu
Executive Director phone: 713-348-6166
Gulf Coast Consortium for Bioinformatics fax: 713-348-6182
Rice University MS-39
Houston, TX 77005
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* Re: Suggestion ...
2001-10-18 19:30 Suggestion ... Dave_Pfaltzgraff@patapsco.com
2001-10-19 14:27 ` Re: Suggestion ... Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com>
2001-10-19 17:30 ` Re: Suggestion ... Ross J. Reedstrom <reedstrm@rice.edu>
@ 2001-10-20 11:45 ` Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>
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From: Peter Eisentraut @ 2001-10-20 11:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ross J. Reedstrom <reedstrm@rice.edu>; +Cc: pgsql-docs
Ross J. Reedstrom writes:
> Another approach: some of us have ties with Kinkos, which I could see
> working as a distributed 'just in time' print service for the latest
> and greatest docs.
PS and PDF versions of the docs are freely available, so you're free to
take it to your favourite publisher or copy shop. The real issue is
probably to get reasonable quality for a reasonable price through bulk
ordering, plus figuring out reasonable values for "reasonable", and that's
where someone has to assume a business responsibility.
--
Peter Eisentraut peter_e@gmx.net http://funkturm.homeip.net/~peter
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* Suggestion
@ 2003-03-31 10:50 muhammad umar <whiplash77_77@yahoo.com>
2003-04-03 18:08 ` Re: [GENERAL] Suggestion scott.marlowe <scott.marlowe@ihs.com>
2003-04-03 18:27 ` Re: [GENERAL] Suggestion Darren Ferguson <darren@crystalballinc.com>
2003-04-03 18:38 ` Re: [GENERAL] Suggestion Dennis Gearon <gearond@cvc.net>
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From: muhammad umar @ 2003-03-31 10:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-bugs@postgresql.org; +Cc: pgsql-general@postgresql.org
hello,
im using PostgreSQL 7.3.1 on i686-pc-linux-gnu,
compiled by GCC 2.96.
i have a suggestion for the name of this DBMS, and
that it should not be PostgreSQL but it should be
PregreSQL, as im feeling its a DBMS that perhaps might
be used 100 years ago,,proof for this is its
techniques for showing errors that if we have a 1400
lines sql query contain some error,,it give error as "
parse error at or near <some column name>" ,,now if
that column is used at several places ,,we might have
to browse the whole of the cream.......
this is one of example of the limit of stupidity this
DBMS having,,,
this used to waste the time that should be spent in
development...so consider changing the name of this
stupid DBMS,,
regards
Muhammad Umar Liaquat
Database Administrator
Vigilant Systems Limited.
__________________________________________________
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* Re: [GENERAL] Suggestion
2003-03-31 10:50 Suggestion muhammad umar <whiplash77_77@yahoo.com>
@ 2003-04-03 18:08 ` scott.marlowe <scott.marlowe@ihs.com>
2003-04-03 18:31 ` Re: Suggestion Ericson Smith <eric@did-it.com>
2 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: scott.marlowe @ 2003-04-03 18:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: muhammad umar <whiplash77_77@yahoo.com>; +Cc: pgsql-bugs@postgresql.org; pgsql-general@postgresql.org
On Mon, 31 Mar 2003, muhammad umar wrote:
> hello,
> im using PostgreSQL 7.3.1 on i686-pc-linux-gnu,
> compiled by GCC 2.96.
> i have a suggestion for the name of this DBMS, and
> that it should not be PostgreSQL but it should be
> PregreSQL, as im feeling its a DBMS that perhaps might
> be used 100 years ago,,proof for this is its
> techniques for showing errors that if we have a 1400
> lines sql query contain some error,,it give error as "
> parse error at or near <some column name>" ,,now if
> that column is used at several places ,,we might have
> to browse the whole of the cream.......
> this is one of example of the limit of stupidity this
> DBMS having,,,
> this used to waste the time that should be spent in
> development...so consider changing the name of this
> stupid DBMS,,
Two suggestions:
1: No one is twisting your arm, feel free to switch to something else.
2: Patches happily accepted.
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* Re: Suggestion
2003-03-31 10:50 Suggestion muhammad umar <whiplash77_77@yahoo.com>
2003-04-03 18:08 ` Re: [GENERAL] Suggestion scott.marlowe <scott.marlowe@ihs.com>
@ 2003-04-03 18:31 ` Ericson Smith <eric@did-it.com>
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From: Ericson Smith @ 2003-04-03 18:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: muhammad umar <whiplash77_77@yahoo.com>; +Cc: pgsql-general@postgresql.org
Muhammad,
The postgresql list is one that is well known for politeness and
courtesy above all.
For instance, someone today requested information about MySQL, and one
of the members was kind enough to do research for him and to even post a
link to where the person could find the information.
My point is, if you need help, we will be more than happy to give it, no
matter how long it takes. Many times people on the list have saved my
bacon with friendly and courteous advice time after time. Even the
response by Scott to you was courteous and helpful.
- Ericson Smith
eric@did-it.com
http://www.did-it.com
On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 13:08, scott.marlowe wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Mar 2003, muhammad umar wrote:
>
> > hello,
> > im using PostgreSQL 7.3.1 on i686-pc-linux-gnu,
> > compiled by GCC 2.96.
> > i have a suggestion for the name of this DBMS, and
> > that it should not be PostgreSQL but it should be
> > PregreSQL, as im feeling its a DBMS that perhaps might
> > be used 100 years ago,,proof for this is its
> > techniques for showing errors that if we have a 1400
> > lines sql query contain some error,,it give error as "
> > parse error at or near <some column name>" ,,now if
> > that column is used at several places ,,we might have
> > to browse the whole of the cream.......
> > this is one of example of the limit of stupidity this
> > DBMS having,,,
> > this used to waste the time that should be spent in
> > development...so consider changing the name of this
> > stupid DBMS,,
>
> Two suggestions:
>
> 1: No one is twisting your arm, feel free to switch to something else.
> 2: Patches happily accepted.
>
>
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* Re: [GENERAL] Suggestion
2003-03-31 10:50 Suggestion muhammad umar <whiplash77_77@yahoo.com>
@ 2003-04-03 18:27 ` Darren Ferguson <darren@crystalballinc.com>
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From: Darren Ferguson @ 2003-04-03 18:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: muhammad umar <whiplash77_77@yahoo.com>; +Cc: pgsql-bugs@postgresql.org; pgsql-general@postgresql.org
The database parser in 7.3.2 tells you the character at which the error
occurred. You could always upgrade to that version instead of bumping
your gums on a topic where people spend there own free time providing a
system for you to use.
Have some consideration
Darren
muhammad umar wrote:
>hello,
>im using PostgreSQL 7.3.1 on i686-pc-linux-gnu,
>compiled by GCC 2.96.
>i have a suggestion for the name of this DBMS, and
>that it should not be PostgreSQL but it should be
>PregreSQL, as im feeling its a DBMS that perhaps might
>be used 100 years ago,,proof for this is its
>techniques for showing errors that if we have a 1400
>lines sql query contain some error,,it give error as "
>parse error at or near <some column name>" ,,now if
>that column is used at several places ,,we might have
>to browse the whole of the cream.......
>this is one of example of the limit of stupidity this
>DBMS having,,,
>this used to waste the time that should be spent in
>development...so consider changing the name of this
>stupid DBMS,,
>
>regards
>Muhammad Umar Liaquat
>Database Administrator
>Vigilant Systems Limited.
>
>__________________________________________________
>Do you Yahoo!?
>Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop!
>http://platinum.yahoo.com
>
>
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* Re: [GENERAL] Suggestion
2003-03-31 10:50 Suggestion muhammad umar <whiplash77_77@yahoo.com>
@ 2003-04-03 18:38 ` Dennis Gearon <gearond@cvc.net>
2003-04-03 19:16 ` Re: [GENERAL] Suggestion Dennis Gearon <gearond@cvc.net>
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From: Dennis Gearon @ 2003-04-03 18:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: muhammad umar <whiplash77_77@yahoo.com>; +Cc: pgsql-bugs@postgresql.org; pgsql-general@postgresql.org
maybe he's a little vitrolic, but the error reporting could be MUCH better.
Seems like the parse tree should be able to show where the error is.
muhammad umar wrote:
> hello,
> im using PostgreSQL 7.3.1 on i686-pc-linux-gnu,
> compiled by GCC 2.96.
> i have a suggestion for the name of this DBMS, and
> that it should not be PostgreSQL but it should be
> PregreSQL, as im feeling its a DBMS that perhaps might
> be used 100 years ago,,proof for this is its
> techniques for showing errors that if we have a 1400
> lines sql query contain some error,,it give error as "
> parse error at or near <some column name>" ,,now if
> that column is used at several places ,,we might have
> to browse the whole of the cream.......
> this is one of example of the limit of stupidity this
> DBMS having,,,
> this used to waste the time that should be spent in
> development...so consider changing the name of this
> stupid DBMS,,
>
> regards
> Muhammad Umar Liaquat
> Database Administrator
> Vigilant Systems Limited.
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop!
> http://platinum.yahoo.com
>
>
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* Re: [GENERAL] Suggestion
2003-03-31 10:50 Suggestion muhammad umar <whiplash77_77@yahoo.com>
2003-04-03 18:38 ` Re: [GENERAL] Suggestion Dennis Gearon <gearond@cvc.net>
@ 2003-04-03 19:16 ` Dennis Gearon <gearond@cvc.net>
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From: Dennis Gearon @ 2003-04-03 19:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: gearond@cvc.net; +Cc: muhammad umar <whiplash77_77@yahoo.com>; pgsql-bugs@postgresql.org; pgsql-general@postgresql.org
I stand corrected, after reading tom's post about 7.3.2.
Error reporting to the point of failure in the querry is COOL, thanks to all who
worked on that. I will have to bug my provider to install the latest version.
Dennis Gearon wrote:
> maybe he's a little vitrolic, but the error reporting could be MUCH
> better. Seems like the parse tree should be able to show where the error
> is.
>
> muhammad umar wrote:
>
>> hello,
>> im using PostgreSQL 7.3.1 on i686-pc-linux-gnu,
>> compiled by GCC 2.96.
>> i have a suggestion for the name of this DBMS, and
>> that it should not be PostgreSQL but it should be
>> PregreSQL, as im feeling its a DBMS that perhaps might
>> be used 100 years ago,,proof for this is its
>> techniques for showing errors that if we have a 1400
>> lines sql query contain some error,,it give error as "
>> parse error at or near <some column name>" ,,now if
>> that column is used at several places ,,we might have
>> to browse the whole of the cream.......
>> this is one of example of the limit of stupidity this
>> DBMS having,,,
>> this used to waste the time that should be spent in
>> development...so consider changing the name of this
>> stupid DBMS,,
>>
>> regards
>> Muhammad Umar Liaquat
>> Database Administrator
>> Vigilant Systems Limited.
>>
>> __________________________________________________
>> Do you Yahoo!?
>> Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop!
>> http://platinum.yahoo.com
>>
>>
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